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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2010/03/27 : 22:59:02
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Originally posted by Rayovac:
On a semi-related note, why is it commonly called meow meow?
Because one of the names for it is MCat
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Lilley
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 23:54:33
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Anyway, my whole point of argument is basically that Alcohol and Marijuana are NOT on par with each other because Marijuana's sole purpose is to get you high. That's not why alcohol is legal, but people abuse it. The difference is, hundreds of millions of people around the world will daily drink alcohol without becoming intoxicated. How many people do you know that will smoke marijuana and not become intoxicated? I think the figure will be close to zero.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2010/03/28 : 11:58:46
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Originally posted by FingazMc:
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Originally posted by catjam:
i find it strange that people that think extacy...speed..cannabis and now methedrone
should be banned after a few deaths
yet seem to find the thousands that die every year from alcohol acceptable
shouldn`t they also be calling for a ban on alcohol ?
But arnt the deaths from most drugs instant or at least on the night the drug is taken?Alcohol death is usually over a period of years and constant drinking as far as im aware....I drink a litre of vodka nearly everyday and i havent died yet....But i have overdosed on drugs before and ended up in hospital and nearly died (didnt slow me down 1 bit i might add :P)
I could be missing out alot of whats already been said but im not reading through 9pages of comments, so dont jump down my throat too quick....
But arnt the deaths from most drugs instant or at least on the night the drug is taken?
This is what am on about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8586309.stm
The come down of this drug is much worse than wizz and after a length f time in this young lads case he killed himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone#Toxicity
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catjam
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Posted - 2010/03/28 : 14:25:08
Yeh but kathryn that poor lad that committed suicide was on many other drugs
but some people have decided that meph was to blame
and who knows maybe the guy would have done it wether he was on drugs or not
The death of a teenager in the UK in November 2009 was widely reported as being caused by mephedrone but a report by the coroner concluded that she died from natural causes. According to criminologists, the reporting of the death by newspapers followed "the usual cycle of "exaggeration, distortion, inaccuracy and sensationalism" associated with the reporting of recreational drug use
im in agreement of the above...media "exaggeration, distortion, inaccuracy and sensationalism"
doesn`t help
People on here are rightly talking about both sides of the argument
but the media are only giving one side
and if you report only on the bad side of everything you can make anything
look a lot worse than it actually is
Why are the media not reporting or showing the people who are taking it at the weekend
who are absolutely fine with it and leading normal lives like everyone else
yeh im being retorical....we know why
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/03/28 : 15:42:07
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and if you report only on the bad side of everything you can make anything
look a lot worse than it actually is
That is the job of the newspapers. Good news dosn't sell.
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2010/03/28 : 16:41:29
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Anyway, my whole point of argument is basically that Alcohol and Marijuana are NOT on par with each other because Marijuana's sole purpose is to get you high. That's not why alcohol is legal, but people abuse it. The difference is, hundreds of millions of people around the world will daily drink alcohol without becoming intoxicated. How many people do you know that will smoke marijuana and not become intoxicated? I think the figure will be close to zero.
That's an absolutely spot-on point. I still think the illegality of many of these kinds of drugs should be tossed in favor of a ranking system (and no, not the ones many countries are using now), but still, I had never really considered it in that way before...
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Meathead
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Posted - 2010/03/28 : 22:04:32
@ Influx - I have to disagree again. I've smoked weed with the intention of just relaxing, not necessarily to get stoned. Whereas on the other hand i've never had a drink to relax, only ever to get pissed. You can't say the sole purpose of weed is to get the user stoned and then say Alchohol is not exactly the same (to get the user pissed). It's sole purpose is whatever the person intends it for. I'm sorry but your entire arguement is just your opinion and hypothetical assumptions and, to be honest, bollocks.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/03/28 : 23:35:37
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@ Influx - I have to disagree again. I've smoked weed with the intention of just relaxing, not necessarily to get stoned. Whereas on the other hand i've never had a drink to relax, only ever to get pissed. You can't say the sole purpose of weed is to get the user stoned and then say Alchohol is not exactly the same (to get the user pissed). It's sole purpose is whatever the person intends it for. I'm sorry but your entire arguement is just your opinion and hypothetical assumptions and, to be honest, bollocks.
Fair enough mate you don't have to agree, but to single out my argument as bollox from the rest because you think it is opinion and hypothetical assumptions well... What do you think this whole discussion has been? Harbour no illusions my friend, this discussion is 95% opinion and hypothetical assumptions.
But let's be real here. Do you actually think a lot of people smoke weed to relax? Come on mate that's pretty naive. The VAST VAST majority of people smoking weed are smoking to get stoned. I've never even HEARD of anyone doing it for any other reason.
Binge drinking is essentially a young person thing to do. It's just what we do. Even now i don't drink NEARLY as much as when i was a teenager... And everyone else i know is the same.
But, people who smoke weed want to get stoned. Not everyone who drinks alcohol wants to get drunk.
It's a fair argument mate, and that's fine if you don't want to agree, but it's rational and logical. If you don't want to agree with it then that's your prerogative, but it's far from BOLLOX.
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Posted - 2010/03/29 : 00:56:43
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
@ Influx - I have to disagree again. I've smoked weed with the intention of just relaxing, not necessarily to get stoned. Whereas on the other hand i've never had a drink to relax, only ever to get pissed. You can't say the sole purpose of weed is to get the user stoned and then say Alchohol is not exactly the same (to get the user pissed). It's sole purpose is whatever the person intends it for. I'm sorry but your entire arguement is just your opinion and hypothetical assumptions and, to be honest, bollocks.
Fair enough mate you don't have to agree, but to single out my argument as bollox from the rest because you think it is opinion and hypothetical assumptions well... What do you think this whole discussion has been? Harbour no illusions my friend, this discussion is 95% opinion and hypothetical assumptions.
But let's be real here. Do you actually think a lot of people smoke weed to relax? Come on mate that's pretty naive. The VAST VAST majority of people smoking weed are smoking to get stoned. I've never even HEARD of anyone doing it for any other reason.
Binge drinking is essentially a young person thing to do. It's just what we do. Even now i don't drink NEARLY as much as when i was a teenager... And everyone else i know is the same.
But, people who smoke weed want to get stoned. Not everyone who drinks alcohol wants to get drunk.
It's a fair argument mate, and that's fine if you don't want to agree, but it's rational and logical. If you don't want to agree with it then that's your prerogative, but it's far from BOLLOX.
I don't think it's naive at all. I do think that some people might smoke weed to relax much like they would a beer, like i say i have myself. The vast majority may well smoke weed to get stoned but then i'd have thought most people drink to get drunk. Neither of us have any facts to back either of our points up. I do think it odd you can say people drink not just to get drunk, be it they just enjoy a drink with a meal or to relax after work or whatever, yet refuse to believe some people smoke weed for the same reasons, and not just to get stoned. To be honest, yes there is a lot of bollocks in this thread, but you're not an idiot which is why your post suprised me the most. It is bollocks what you're saying - that weed can not be enjoyed in moderation like alchohol can be. I just find your logic very strange.
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Posted - 2010/03/29 : 01:32:37
honestly, this shit sounds nasty and is just not worth the risk
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/03/29 : 02:46:11
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
@ Influx - I have to disagree again. I've smoked weed with the intention of just relaxing, not necessarily to get stoned. Whereas on the other hand i've never had a drink to relax, only ever to get pissed. You can't say the sole purpose of weed is to get the user stoned and then say Alchohol is not exactly the same (to get the user pissed). It's sole purpose is whatever the person intends it for. I'm sorry but your entire arguement is just your opinion and hypothetical assumptions and, to be honest, bollocks.
Fair enough mate you don't have to agree, but to single out my argument as bollox from the rest because you think it is opinion and hypothetical assumptions well... What do you think this whole discussion has been? Harbour no illusions my friend, this discussion is 95% opinion and hypothetical assumptions.
But let's be real here. Do you actually think a lot of people smoke weed to relax? Come on mate that's pretty naive. The VAST VAST majority of people smoking weed are smoking to get stoned. I've never even HEARD of anyone doing it for any other reason.
Binge drinking is essentially a young person thing to do. It's just what we do. Even now i don't drink NEARLY as much as when i was a teenager... And everyone else i know is the same.
But, people who smoke weed want to get stoned. Not everyone who drinks alcohol wants to get drunk.
It's a fair argument mate, and that's fine if you don't want to agree, but it's rational and logical. If you don't want to agree with it then that's your prerogative, but it's far from BOLLOX.
I do think it odd you can say people drink not just to get drunk, be it they just enjoy a drink with a meal or to relax after work or whatever, yet refuse to believe some people smoke weed for the same reasons, and not just to get stoned.
Mate it doesn't take a lot to get someone stoned. The amount you're talking about would be less than a joint. Unless you have a high tolerance (meaning you get stoned a lot anyway) you'd be stoned.
Anyway the point is moot because i never said people couldn't smoke weed to relax. But to be honest having smoked marijuana many times before, i'd say if a person smoked weed ONLY to relax and not to get stoned, i'd call them a moron plain and true. Marijuana is awesome if you want to get stoned.. buuuut that's about it. There are infinitely better ways to relax and i'd question why one would bother with marijuana.
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To be honest, yes there is a lot of bollocks in this thread, but you're not an idiot which is why your post suprised me the most. It is bollocks what you're saying - that weed can not be enjoyed in moderation like alchohol can be. I just find your logic very strange.
Didn't say that either.
People in general smoke weed to get stoned. People don't go and buy weed to relax mate. They just dont. I've NEVER heard of that. I've NEVER heard someone say they want to go and pick up because they want to relax. Being friends with a lot of dealers as well, the amount people buy and frequency is definitely not due to relaxation.
But everyone i know above the age of about 21 just don't buy alcohol to get drunk unless it's on the weekend AND they're out at a club. Even then a lot of people don't coz they drive.
It might be drastically different where you are, but your logic of using marijuana just to relax and not get stoned sounds incredibly odd to me, and im sure it would to a lot of other people.
We can agree to disagree, but it's not bollox.
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Posted - 2010/03/29 : 12:15:16
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Posted - 2010/03/29 : 14:15:15
This is pointless.
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Posted - 2010/03/29 : 14:53:23
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This is pointless.
Go smoke some weed, then. 
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Posted - 2010/03/29 : 14:53:37
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This is pointless.
Agree haha
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