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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2010/03/13 : 16:23:19
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Weed isn't chemically addictive, but the want to get that high is, mentally, if you're not strong willed enough to be able to drive off that want on your own. Which CAN lead you to get stronger drugs, but it might not either.
This is more the kind of talk that you'd expect to read on talktofrank.com or something like that. I'm assuming that you have smoked it before? It's very difficult to accurately judge otherwise. Like, i can garuntee for most people that do smoke it that that wouldn't be the case because weed is weed and nothing can replace it. Even if it is harder it's not the same thing so it wouldn't remedy the situation.
For the people that do smoke it enough that they'd get to that point, they have a problem anyway and are not an accurate reflection of the rest of the drug using community any more than someone who's addicted to pain killers (or alcohol) is of the general community.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 16:25:54
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Weed isn't chemically addictive, but the want to get that high is, mentally, if you're not strong willed enough to be able to drive off that want on your own. Which CAN lead you to get stronger drugs, but it might not either.
This is more the kind of talk that you'd expect to read on talktofrank.com or something like that. I'm assuming that you have smoked it before? It's very difficult to accurately judge otherwise. Like, i can garuntee for most people that do smoke it that that wouldn't be the case because weed is weed and nothing can replace it. Even if it is harder it's not the same thing so it wouldn't remedy the situation.
I won't admit to it, but I'm not denying it. Legal reasons..
It's also why I said it might not be so easy to replace, but for others it can be. The "gateway theory" isn't concrete, just like nothing else is either. It does work that way for some, but for others they'll either continue wasting their money on more and more, or just try to quit.
It depends on the person, really.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 16:27:27
If you have any brain cells you wouldnt go near the stuff.
Only recently a young girl from my old town died because of it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2859712/Legal-high-Meow-Meow-kills-Steph-Howard-aged-20.html
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 16:27:49
It is entirely individual yes, which is why such a theory makes no sense.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 16:30:57
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If you have any brain cells you wouldnt go near the stuff.
Only recently a young girl from my old town died because of it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2859712/Legal-high-Meow-Meow-kills-Steph-Howard-aged-20.html
Well people who have brain cells don't usually read the sun, at the very least. Seriously though i don't see how one death in millions is a cause for concern. People die from everything, all the time. Many more people die from legal pharmaceuticals than illegal drugs so in theory you should have much more negative feelings towards those. It's a pointless discussion to get into anyway though because those who believe drugs are bad always will and those who don't always will believe they aren't, and most of the time neither have any basis in actual fact.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 17:03:45
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Plant feed not a chance
One of my mates is crazy on it does it ALL the time and he stinks haha it makes your sweat reek for ages or something. He looks proper ill aswell lol
Il stick to my 2 litres of vodka and a bag of speed lol :P
Probably already started haven't you? :P
Yes, yes i have :P :P
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 17:24:32
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And I agree that it's stupid a plant, with relatively no side effects besides, of course, if you over use it, it WILL cause more damage to you, and can become a gate way drug, is illegal.
The gate-way drug theory is ridiculous. I've smoked weed and haven't moved on to and settled on harsher drugs (that's not to say i haven't experimented), but i've known people to skip past weed all together and are now intaking more coke than an 8 year old in America
It depends on how much you smoke it. Do you smoke so much that you're smoking 8 bowls to get the same high as you did before with two? There's a point of smoking it so much, cost effectively, it costs LESS to get a better high then a bunch of weed. Just gets to a point that, IF you smoke it so much, it costs less to get more from something else.
A potentially ever expanding financial cost doesn't really count as damage to self though does it?
It does when you're forced to find something stronger to get you the same high.
Weed isn't chemically addictive, but the want to get that high is, mentally, if you're not strong willed enough to be able to drive off that want on your own. Which CAN lead you to get stronger drugs, but it might not either.
Surely that is a human flaw though, not that of the drug. All that is coming into my mind right now is Adreniline junkies. It starts off with an intense bike ride, next thing you know people are sky-diving and swimming with sharks. There's potential for these people to have an accident whilst jumping out of planes and wrestling with Jaws, so, we have a problem on our hands here. Do we outlaw bike-riding because some people may take it to extremes and end up in a shark's belly or splattered across a feild in Umbridge? It's not the fault of the bike is it? Why should the bike and the normal, sensible, bike-riding community have to suffer for the sake of a few shark-baiting numpties? Think of the bicycle's won't you?
Sorry for the ridiculous analogy, i'm very tired, but my argument is sound :p
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 17:49:37
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And I agree that it's stupid a plant, with relatively no side effects besides, of course, if you over use it, it WILL cause more damage to you, and can become a gate way drug, is illegal.
The gate-way drug theory is ridiculous. I've smoked weed and haven't moved on to and settled on harsher drugs (that's not to say i haven't experimented), but i've known people to skip past weed all together and are now intaking more coke than an 8 year old in America
It depends on how much you smoke it. Do you smoke so much that you're smoking 8 bowls to get the same high as you did before with two? There's a point of smoking it so much, cost effectively, it costs LESS to get a better high then a bunch of weed. Just gets to a point that, IF you smoke it so much, it costs less to get more from something else.
A potentially ever expanding financial cost doesn't really count as damage to self though does it?
It does when you're forced to find something stronger to get you the same high.
Weed isn't chemically addictive, but the want to get that high is, mentally, if you're not strong willed enough to be able to drive off that want on your own. Which CAN lead you to get stronger drugs, but it might not either.
Surely that is a human flaw though, not that of the drug. All that is coming into my mind right now is Adreniline junkies. It starts off with an intense bike ride, next thing you know people are sky-diving and swimming with sharks. There's potential for these people to have an accident whilst jumping out of planes and wrestling with Jaws, so, we have a problem on our hands here. Do we outlaw bike-riding because some people may take it to extremes and end up in a shark's belly or splattered across a feild in Umbridge? It's not the fault of the bike is it? Why should the bike and the normal, sensible, bike-riding community have to suffer for the sake of a few shark-baiting numpties? Think of the bicycle's won't you?
Sorry for the ridiculous analogy, i'm very tired, but my argument is sound :p
This was exactly the point i was making, i'm glad you elaborated on it lol.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 19:00:11
Good point, but I still say it could, but it could do anything really.
So I say, we all hide in a room, and starve to death because we can die from anything we eat or drink.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 19:34:52
Your right it could be a gateway drug, but not because of the drug itself. So it would be senseless to say that it is true for everyone.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 22:47:54
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Your right it could be a gateway drug, but not because of the drug itself. So it would be senseless to say that it is true for everyone.
Nothing is true for everyone but the same end.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 23:20:26
Well if people want to injest shite then they have to deal with the consequences its illegal for a reason.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 23:23:18
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Plant feed not a chance
One of my mates is crazy on it does it ALL the time and he stinks haha it makes your sweat reek for ages or something. He looks proper ill aswell lol
Il stick to my 2 litres of vodka and a bag of speed lol :P
It's not technically plant feeder
Haven't smelt bad yet, but maybe that's because I haven't taken enough or something, only had a gram, my nose was on ****ing fire though. I highly doubt I'd buy more as I rarely ever take drugs as I see no use for them, but might as well try something once than never experience it at all.
As for the girl dying, it's just unlucky really, it can happen with any drug.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 23:25:08
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Well if people want to injest shite then they have to deal with the consequences its illegal for a reason.
But Mephedrone is legal.
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Posted - 2010/03/13 : 23:31:17
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Well if people want to injest shite then they have to deal with the consequences its illegal for a reason.
But Mephedrone is legal.
ok but hopefully very soon it will be made illegal.
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