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Fishy
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 Posted - 2010/03/26 : 18:30:09
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Originally posted by kathryn:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
Fishy, this irrational big fear of drugs you mention is really quite rational. People take drugs, people die. I know it's hard to see, but there is a cause and effect hidden in there
It's almost funny how far people will go to protect something they have an interest in.
It's pretty damn obvious the drug can be easily lethal, but it's perfectly fine, the user was just an idiot for dying.
Seriously, some of you guys would have more credibility if you acknowledged both sides of a coin while admitting you prefer one side over the other, instead of pretending the other side doesn't exist.
Seriously, some of you guys would have more credibility if you acknowledged both sides of a coin while admitting you prefer one side over the other, instead of pretending the other side doesn't exist.
Well said
Same could be said for your side.. Dont u get thats what weve been trying to say all the time? That ye of course it can go wrong with irresponsible drug use.. But all this shit is exaggerated very much. Ye people dies, but guess what everyone does.. And this is a very little part of it. Just driving ur car is way bigger risk.. U think cars should be illegal becouse of that? Or unhealthy food? Like driving a car u can do it responsible and irresponsible, same with drugs just drugs are more fun. Some people drive like bastards, some dont, imagine if they made cars illegal becouse SOME did it irresponsinly.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2010/03/26 : 19:10:04
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Originally posted by Fishy:
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Originally posted by kathryn:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
Fishy, this irrational big fear of drugs you mention is really quite rational. People take drugs, people die. I know it's hard to see, but there is a cause and effect hidden in there
It's almost funny how far people will go to protect something they have an interest in.
It's pretty damn obvious the drug can be easily lethal, but it's perfectly fine, the user was just an idiot for dying.
Seriously, some of you guys would have more credibility if you acknowledged both sides of a coin while admitting you prefer one side over the other, instead of pretending the other side doesn't exist.
Seriously, some of you guys would have more credibility if you acknowledged both sides of a coin while admitting you prefer one side over the other, instead of pretending the other side doesn't exist.
Well said
Same could be said for your side.. Dont u get thats what weve been trying to say all the time? That ye of course it can go wrong with irresponsible drug use.. But all this shit is exaggerated very much. Ye people dies, but guess what everyone does.. And this is a very little part of it. Just driving ur car is way bigger risk.. U think cars should be illegal becouse of that? Or unhealthy food? Like driving a car u can do it responsible and irresponsible, same with drugs just drugs are more fun. Some people drive like bastards, some dont, imagine if they made cars illegal becouse SOME did it irresponsinly.
Were not talking about cars, were not talking about mashed vegs, cigs, alcohol or any other drug, the topic started is
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Posted - 2010/03/26 : 22:14:17
Obviously that analogy went over your head.
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Posted - 2010/03/26 : 22:18:33
On a semi-related note, why is it commonly called meow meow?
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Posted - 2010/03/26 : 23:44:39
Possibly while flipping around on the ground while taking the drug it's common for the users to say "meow meow".
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 05:58:22
i find it strange that people that think extacy...speed..cannabis and now methedrone
should be banned after a few deaths
yet seem to find the thousands that die every year from alcohol acceptable
shouldn`t they also be calling for a ban on alcohol ?
lets be honest, if the goverment decided to ban alcohol because of health issues violence
and deaths as well as the millions in damages it causes
it would be hard to defend against it
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 08:18:08
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Originally posted by catjam:
i find it strange that people that think extacy...speed..cannabis and now methedrone
should be banned after a few deaths
yet seem to find the thousands that die every year from alcohol acceptable
shouldn`t they also be calling for a ban on alcohol ?
But arnt the deaths from most drugs instant or at least on the night the drug is taken?Alcohol death is usually over a period of years and constant drinking as far as im aware....I drink a litre of vodka nearly everyday and i havent died yet....But i have overdosed on drugs before and ended up in hospital and nearly died (didnt slow me down 1 bit i might add :P)
I could be missing out alot of whats already been said but im not reading through 9pages of comments, so dont jump down my throat too quick....
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 08:56:38
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Originally posted by FingazMc:
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Originally posted by catjam:
i find it strange that people that think extacy...speed..cannabis and now methedrone
should be banned after a few deaths
yet seem to find the thousands that die every year from alcohol acceptable
shouldn`t they also be calling for a ban on alcohol ?
But arnt the deaths from most drugs instant or at least on the night the drug is taken?Alcohol death is usually over a period of years and constant drinking as far as im aware....I drink a litre of vodka nearly everyday and i havent died yet....But i have overdosed on drugs before and ended up in hospital and nearly died (didnt slow me down 1 bit i might add :P)
I could be missing out alot of whats already been said but im not reading through 9pages of comments, so dont jump down my throat too quick....
Thanks craig, you actually brought up exactly what i wanted to talk about after reading 9 pages. In general, illegal drugs are more potent, and it will take a lot less to put yourself in serious harm. Already being under the influence, you wont make a rational decision either.
Just to clear soemthing up, i'm not against drugs, i've done my fair share.
But i think everyone has missed the point of why illegal drugs are illegal. They're not all illegal for the same reason, and no two drugs are the same. Instead of going through every drug in my head i'll just use a few examples that seem to be under dispute through this topic.
Tobacco vs. Marijuana. They're completely different. Marijuana *will* alter your mindset, and the state of altered mindset is addictive. Legalizing it would ensure more people would be stoned more often. I don't know about you, but (for example) i don't want to get on a bus and find out the bus driver is high.
The argument "if weed is illegal then alcohol should be illegal" is ****ing pish. Firstly, you have to remember that not everything about alcohol is even legal! You cannot drive after a certain amount of alcohol, if over, you will get arrested. Also, TECHNICALLY, it's legal to be drunk. TECHNICALLY. If you cause trouble due to alcohol, you'll spend the night in the fish tank. Alcohol, for a legal drug, is monitored fairly well.
The main point is that every illegal drug has no use apart from getting high (read: altering mindset) and it isn't safe - because people in altered mindsets do not make rational decisions, nor can control their body as effectively. There is a logical reason why illegal drugs are illegal, and rational reasons for legal drugs being legal.
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 11:14:12
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Tobacco vs. Marijuana. They're completely different. Marijuana *will* alter your mindset, and the state of altered mindset is addictive. Legalizing it would ensure more people would be stoned more often. I don't know about you, but (for example) i don't want to get on a bus and find out the bus driver is high
I'd imagine if Weed were ever legalized it would be regulated much like alchohol. Other than that i can't really argue with your post..... well i could, but i've got to get back to work. Maybe later.
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 11:22:54
only done weed once, cant even fecking remember it.
dont intend to drug take ever again for the sake of my schwimmen! P
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 12:11:04
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Tobacco vs. Marijuana. They're completely different. Marijuana *will* alter your mindset, and the state of altered mindset is addictive. Legalizing it would ensure more people would be stoned more often. I don't know about you, but (for example) i don't want to get on a bus and find out the bus driver is high
I'd imagine if Weed were ever legalized it would be regulated much like alchohol. Other than that i can't really argue with your post..... well i could, but i've got to get back to work. Maybe later.
it would have to be so heavily regulated that there's almost no point. Instead of the legalization being a positive it will quickly turn to a negative. If you can't smoke it on the job, while driving, at school etc how many people are going to blow off work, and school etc so they can get high?
I know people that do it already and it's illegal. But with the increase in number of people doing it because it's legal (unavoidable) it quickly turns negative.
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 13:59:02
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Tobacco vs. Marijuana. They're completely different. Marijuana *will* alter your mindset, and the state of altered mindset is addictive. Legalizing it would ensure more people would be stoned more often. I don't know about you, but (for example) i don't want to get on a bus and find out the bus driver is high
I'd imagine if Weed were ever legalized it would be regulated much like alchohol. Other than that i can't really argue with your post..... well i could, but i've got to get back to work. Maybe later.
it would have to be so heavily regulated that there's almost no point. Instead of the legalization being a positive it will quickly turn to a negative. If you can't smoke it on the job, while driving, at school etc how many people are going to blow off work, and school etc so they can get high?
I know people that do it already and it's illegal. But with the increase in number of people doing it because it's legal (unavoidable) it quickly turns negative.
I can't imagine many people doing it at all. Alchohol is legal but i don't know anyone who would blow work or school off to get pissed. My brother smokes weed every day, but never before or during work and never skips work to get stoned, i can't see that changing if it were ever legalized. I know you say you've taken drugs but have you ever been a regular user? You seem to have this veiw that all Cannabis users are wasters (of course some are but that's just not true for all) who, given the chance, would throw their lives away for a bit of spliff, but that's just not the case. It's quite easy to live a normal, full life while keeping the drug seperate from everything else, legalizing Weed wouldn't change that.
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only done weed once, cant even fecking remember it.
dont intend to drug take ever again for the sake of my schwimmen! P
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 14:19:39
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Originally posted by Fishy:
Same could be said for your side.. Dont u get thats what weve been trying to say all the time? That ye of course it can go wrong with irresponsible drug use.. But all this shit is exaggerated very much. Ye people dies, but guess what everyone does.. And this is a very little part of it. Just driving ur car is way bigger risk.. U think cars should be illegal becouse of that? Or unhealthy food? Like driving a car u can do it responsible and irresponsible, same with drugs just drugs are more fun. Some people drive like bastards, some dont, imagine if they made cars illegal becouse SOME did it irresponsinly.
Not sure if that's directed at me or kathryn, but I can see the other side. there is 8 pages of the other side in this thread. I've read it and to be honest, its not all that convincing. Your analogy with driving is flawed, as already outlined earlier in this thread (about page 4 i think).
Influx, I disagree with your part alcohol v weed, I think alcohol is just as potent if not more than weed (in standard amounts). Afaik, people cannot die of a 1 day weed overdose, but the same is very possible with alcohol and has happened in sydney (i think) after a guy had 54 standard drinks. Also while weed abuse leads to mental issues rather quickly compared to alcohol, daily over-the-top alcohol abuse will kill you, even in a matter of years. I really do think the two are quite on par in terms of drugs.
I commonly drink alcohol, but never to excess. ie I hav'nt been drunk in a very long time. I wouldn't be thrilled if alcohol was banned, but to be honest, I'd agree with the principle.
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 15:58:24
its about time the goverment had a rethink about the whole drugs situation
there policies are way outdated times have changed
some people nowadays would rather take some speed or extacy etc instead of alcohol
maybe its about time the gov sanctioned a safe (although like any drug never completely)
alternative to alcohol
doubt that will ever happen though...i mean they still class ecstasy the same as heroine
when even everyone in this forum could agree they are both very different
imo that shows how far behind the times they are
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Posted - 2010/03/27 : 21:38:22
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Tobacco vs. Marijuana. They're completely different. Marijuana *will* alter your mindset, and the state of altered mindset is addictive. Legalizing it would ensure more people would be stoned more often. I don't know about you, but (for example) i don't want to get on a bus and find out the bus driver is high
I'd imagine if Weed were ever legalized it would be regulated much like alchohol. Other than that i can't really argue with your post..... well i could, but i've got to get back to work. Maybe later.
it would have to be so heavily regulated that there's almost no point. Instead of the legalization being a positive it will quickly turn to a negative. If you can't smoke it on the job, while driving, at school etc how many people are going to blow off work, and school etc so they can get high?
I know people that do it already and it's illegal. But with the increase in number of people doing it because it's legal (unavoidable) it quickly turns negative.
I can't imagine many people doing it at all. Alchohol is legal but i don't know anyone who would blow work or school off to get pissed. My brother smokes weed every day, but never before or during work and never skips work to get stoned, i can't see that changing if it were ever legalized. I know you say you've taken drugs but have you ever been a regular user? You seem to have this veiw that all Cannabis users are wasters (of course some are but that's just not true for all) who, given the chance, would throw their lives away for a bit of spliff, but that's just not the case. It's quite easy to live a normal, full life while keeping the drug seperate from everything else, legalizing Weed wouldn't change that.
Being drunk and being stoned are two very different things. Weed is illegal because the SOLE purpose of it, is to get high. The only purpose. Alcohol is used day to day without people getting drunk. Having a beer after work, having a glass or two of wine with dinner. You wouldn't smoke weed without getting high. You just wouldn't, there's no point.
I'd say the psychological effects of marijuana are way more enticing than that of alcohol, and if legalized, there'd be a lot more people chasing it.
And yes i was a heavy used of coke for about a year before i pulled myself out of that hole, used to be a regular user or pills and most amphetamines in general. I'd smoke weed on the come down almost every time. Whilst coke is very different to compare to weed, i've had first hand experience with addiction and it isn't pretty.
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Influx, I disagree with your part alcohol v weed, I think alcohol is just as potent if not more than weed (in standard amounts).
If you had standard amounts of alcohol, you'd still be sober, if you had standard amounts of marijuana you'd be stoned - because that's what's defined as a standard amount - enough to get you stoned. Alcohol is enjoyable without being drunk, weed is not enjoyable without being stoned.
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Afaik, people cannot die of a 1 day weed overdose, but the same is very possible with alcohol and has happened in sydney (i think) after a guy had 54 standard drinks. Also while weed abuse leads to mental issues rather quickly compared to alcohol, daily over-the-top alcohol abuse will kill you, even in a matter of years. I really do think the two are quite on par in terms of drugs.
Ah but see this is what i'm trying to illustrate Lilley. For argument's sake, let's say they ARE on par as each other as drugs. Think statistically. How many more people will die or be injured due to marijuana? You have to assume that with legalization a lot more people will do it. Statistics will raise.
I commonly drink alcohol, but never to excess. ie I hav'nt been drunk in a very long time. I wouldn't be thrilled if alcohol was banned, but to be honest, I'd agree with the principle.
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As would i.
Anyway, my whole point of argument is basically that Alcohol and Marijuana are NOT on par with each other because Marijuana's sole purpose is to get you high. That's not why alcohol is legal, but people abuse it. The difference is, hundreds of millions of people around the world will daily drink alcohol without becoming intoxicated. How many people do you know that will smoke marijuana and not become intoxicated? I think the figure will be close to zero.
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