CiALiN Advanced Member
Ireland
535 posts Joined: Apr, 2009
Posted - 2010/03/14 : 20:22:48
quote:Originally posted by Rayovac:
quote:Originally posted by CiALiN:
jesus who really cares what people do..its their own business..you live once so if you choose to smoke weed then fine enjoy..i drink large amounts of alcohol so i cant really moan about people poisoning their body..if people choose to neck pills or do coke or meph its their choice
you only live once and if you cant have fun whats the point??
So basically what you're saying is that if someone wants to wreck their life, let them do it?
how will any of those things..well maybe coke wreck your life? and yeah if someone wants to go buzzen then ****ing let them
Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2010/03/14 : 20:35:52
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by Meathead:
Sorry for the ridiculous analogy, i'm very tired, but my argument is sound :p
Actually it's not sound. The over indulgence of those physical activity will not harm you (within reason). It's the actions of the person that causes harm. Long term smoking of pot does harm, as a direct result of the smoking. Theoretically I can keep skydiving, hang gliding, surfing, motorbike riding without getting so much as a scratch. If I smoke pot long term, issues will develop in time and directly responsible is the consumption of weed.
You may develop a nasty bruise from the harness if sky-diving regularly? As far as i know you could EAT as much cannabis as you like without causing any harm, it is the action of smoking that damages. It's personal choice smoking it, which is again human flaw, so yes my argument is sound. F you Lilley! ;)
quote:Originally posted by Rayovac:
So basically what you're saying is that if someone wants to wreck their life, let them do it?
I don't see a problem with that to be honest.
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Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2010/03/14 : 21:42:55
Nor me. You can try and help but in the end you are not responsible for them and it's not your fault if they choose to mess up their life.
catjam Senior Member
United Kingdom
407 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2010/03/15 : 01:38:25
i tried Mephedrone about 6 months ago out of curiosity
because some people said it reminded them of the good .... you used to get years back
and i have to say that i enjoyed it
i hadn`t taken anything like that in years and probably wont again but it was good
to have that buzz again that i hadn`t had in many years
its very easy to take though like many drugs are and a lot of younger kids
seem to be taking way more of the stuff when you don`t have to
there is such a thing as taking drugs (inc alchohol) safely and responsibly
but nowadays a lot of people can`t seem to do that
imo if cannabis is illegal then alcohol should also be illegal
Fishy Advanced Member
Norway
2,521 posts Joined: Apr, 2004
Posted - 2010/03/15 : 09:37:27
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by Meathead:
You may develop a nasty bruise from the harness if sky-diving regularly?
I didnt consider that :P When it comes to comparative damage though, a few ruptured capillaries doesn't really count.
quote:Originally posted by Fishy:
U cant say it necessarily WILL cause issues
yes I can. All available reliable evidence and study points to it.
Studies aren't everything, and studies look for issues, u can smoke cannabis without experience any issues. Of course u can experience issues as well, but u wont necessarily have any issues with it
Audio Warfare Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,047 posts Joined: Mar, 2009
Posted - 2010/03/15 : 11:12:45
I'd like to point out that I know two local people who have passed away recently after taking Mephedrone and have heard of a good few others... This is through people I know and have spoken to at parties, not the media! I should be very wary of going near this to be honest! Wont be trying it myself. It isnt plant food either Just sold as that to avoid legal problems.
As for the weed debate I think its perfectly possible to smoke it on occasion without causing you any real harm.
I had a long daily 1/8 skunk habit for a good few years and it certainly did noticeable damage to me. Paranoia, memory issue and turned me into a bit of an unsociable mong etc. I dont touch the stuff now but I put it down to reckless use rather than weed itself. I know lots of people who have used it occasionally for 12 odd years now with no problems.
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Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2010/03/15 : 11:43:18
quote:Originally posted by Fishy:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by Fishy:
U cant say it necessarily WILL cause issues
yes I can. All available reliable evidence and study points to it.
Studies aren't everything, and studies look for issues, u can smoke cannabis without experience any issues. Of course u can experience issues as well, but u wont necessarily have any issues with it
Studies are generally pretty damn thorough. A reader ignoring them says a lot more about the reader than it does the study.
I am also talking about constant use rather than occasionally on a weekend.
It is accepted that constant use will result in "issues". Just because you don't notice them doesn't mean there aren't any.
It's generally known as "living in denial".
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Fishy Advanced Member
Norway
2,521 posts Joined: Apr, 2004
Posted - 2010/03/15 : 12:10:02
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by Fishy:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by Fishy:
U cant say it necessarily WILL cause issues
yes I can. All available reliable evidence and study points to it.
Studies aren't everything, and studies look for issues, u can smoke cannabis without experience any issues. Of course u can experience issues as well, but u wont necessarily have any issues with it
Studies are generally pretty damn thorough. A reader ignoring them says a lot more about the reader than it does the study.
I am also talking about constant use rather than occasionally on a weekend.
It is accepted that constant use will result in "issues". Just because you don't notice them doesn't mean there aren't any.
It's generally known as "living in denial".
I smoke pretty much everyday, but i work and do lots of other stuff so I dont get time to smoke so much, some days its down to a single small pipe hit other days more, somedays i go thru the day without smoking without even noticing cause i havent wanted to or i forgot.. And ive been doing this for some years now, was worse before but then i smoked much more, all the time I could have and big amounts then i experienced some small issues.. which dissapaired very quickly tho .. at the amount im smoking now I don't experience any isues. And im not living in denial. I respect ur opinions but u uct act like u know everything, thing isent that black and white.
And for issues ye I have a friend who smoke up his supply 10x faster than me, and he has experienced some mental issues. But he smokes constantly thru the whole day without pauses. Luckly his economy limits it
A comperisation could be, theres a diffrence between havin a glass of wine or a beer every evening than binge drinking thru the day
Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2010/03/15 : 12:56:37
quote:Originally posted by Fishy:
A comperisation could be, theres a diffrence between havin a glass of wine or a beer every evening than binge drinking thru the day
possibly
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Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2010/03/15 : 14:38:25
quote:I'd like to point out that I know two local people who have passed away recently after taking Mephedrone and have heard of a good few others... This is through people I know and have spoken to at parties, not the media! I should be very wary of going near this to be honest! Wont be trying it myself. It isnt plant food either Just sold as that to avoid legal problems.
Yeah nor me, seems like dirty stuff. The potential side effects alone tell me there is something extremely unhealthy about it.
Dante Advanced Member
Vatican City State (Holy See)
1,185 posts Joined: Dec, 2009
Posted - 2010/03/15 : 15:20:45
Does sound sketchy to use drugs like that. I'd rather use things that have well known effects and have been used for a while :p
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