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 Posted - 2010/04/10 : 20:16:21
When tests were conducted in Germany under scientific conditions, to test the human ears ability to hear the difference between MP3s at 320 and 256 no one could tell the difference. They tried it on orchestral conductors, if I remember rightly, as these are people who have trained their whole lives to hear subtle nuances in music, and notice the slightest changes. So Revs, I have my doubts on that one. If you can actually hear the difference, you ears are magic ears. Just saying!
Incidentally, have played 192 out live on various occasions and in various sets and on various loud systems, and it has sounded no different to a 320, but it CAN do, it depends on the mastering of the track and overall compression before its turned into an MP3. But again, and speaking only from experience, its not actually a massive deal, I doubt I could tell the difference myself. Ignoring my abilities, though - I would certainly be able to tell if people on the dance floor noticed - a recent one I have played and been playing is Praga Kahn's "Injected With A Poison" original. No sound loss, or none that is noticeable. 192 bitrate. I take a lot of care with my sets, and certainly wouldn't play something that sounded poo quality. However, I firmly believe that people read the difference, then think they hear it, not the other way around. I have even played a 128 out, and that DID sound worse.
Another thing to bear in mind is that as you get older, the range your ears can hear changes. You loose the highest and lowest, and you keep losing it gradually through your whole life.
As to other things that are mentioned in this thread, perhaps I can shed a little light from the other side of the fence?
The reason a lot of sites don't do Wav or FLAC is to do with space and download / upload times. My site currently has close to 600 tracks or more for free download. In the past, we have had up to 4 terrabytes of downloads per month. And that is with 320 MP3s. Imaging that with FLAC. Not pleasant if you are paying for bandwidth, nor is it a fun job uploading that stuff. Perhaps people should? But as my site is free, I feel no obligation to do FLAC, especially as I know for a fact that the human ear cant tell the difference between that and a 320mp3, and also, I am not getting paid for it. Mine is a gift - its rude to complain about a gift lol.
Lastly, when you sell (or give away) a product, it is up to you how to sell it. It Ford want to make shitty slow cars with bad parts, that is their right. You dont walk in and say "Well, these aren't Lexus. Please make a Lexus". You either take the Ford as it is, or go to Lexus instead. No one is forced to buy any track. If you dont like it, then YOU dont like it. The problem is yours. Obviously, in the ideal world, everything would work out exactly how you want it to. But its not the ideal world, sadly (for all of us, lol). I can understand the frustration, but you have to respect the owners right to do what he wants with what he owns. Thats just how it is, whether buying a Mac or going to a supermarket. You get what your given. Personally, I like the look of the Ford Mustang, and wish it wasn't so fantastically shit with gas and smog issues. I wont buy one because of that. Also, its a bit of a dick head car, lol, but I still like it!
Bad service should always be highlighted though. A little patience is always appreciated, because many of us are one man bands doing multiple things - touring, running stores, engineering, promoting and dealing with artists, accounts and websites. We would all prefer a full time staff to do this for us, but there simply is nowhere near enough money to do that. The ones that can afford it, do so, but that is unusual.
Thats not an excuse for shitty service, but still, bear it in mind that even though you are the most important thing in your life, you are one of many things in the other persons life, and we all have to prioritize. Sometimes a customer complaint ends up lower on the list than it should, simply because other things which are critical to the success of the business need to be done first. I have certainly failed in the customer service dept. more than once, but never intentionally. None of us are perfect, and we dont have the staff or money to ensure we fix everything immediately. These are just reasons, not excuses! I know for a fact that Jon Doe, like all of us, greatly appreciate our fans. But we are only human. Well, I am, at least. Jon might be an alien, now that I think of it.
Thats my 5 pence woth, anyhow.
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 21:08:23
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Originally posted by Luna-C:Lastly, when you sell (or give away) a product, it is up to you how to sell it. It Ford want to make shitty slow cars with bad parts, that is their right. You dont walk in and say "Well, these aren't Lexus. Please make a Lexus". You either take the Ford as it is, or go to Lexus instead. No one is forced to buy any track. If you dont like it, then YOU dont like it. The problem is yours. Obviously, in the ideal world, everything would work out exactly how you want it to. But its not the ideal world, sadly (for all of us, lol). I can understand the frustration, but you have to respect the owners right to do what he wants with what he owns. Thats just how it is, whether buying a Mac or going to a supermarket. You get what your given. Personally, I like the look of the Ford Mustang, and wish it wasn't so fantastically shit with gas and smog issues. I wont buy one because of that. Also, its a bit of a dick head car, lol, but I still like it!
Good post, Luna-C. This quote, however, is a bit flawed. It's hard to compare that to buying an MP3. I'm not complaining about the content, I'm complaining about the quality. Say that Ford is used instead of brand new and it still costs very much, wouldn't you have doubts? Or if the seller didn't say it was used and then you buy it and notice it. Compare that to getting 192kbps instead of 320bkps. Maybe the difference in quality is not as apparant as you say but I feel better with 320kbps. :D
I wouldn't buy the Ford if I didn't like the features and I wouldn't buy the MP3 if I didn't like the track, but quality is a different matter.
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 21:26:46
Hello Luna-C! First of all I would like to say that I love all of your work and all of the tracks that are signed to your Label, and that that I cannot wait to hear you live in Vienna next month!!
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
When tests were conducted in Germany under scientific conditions, to test the human ears ability to hear the difference between MP3s at 320 and 256 no one could tell the difference. They tried it on orchestral conductors, if I remember rightly, as these are people who have trained their whole lives to hear subtle nuances in music, and notice the slightest changes. So Revs, I have my doubts on that one. If you can actually hear the difference, you ears are magic ears. Just saying!
Incidentally, have played 192 out live on various occasions and in various sets and on various loud systems, and it has sounded no different to a 320, but it CAN do, it depends on the mastering of the track and overall compression before its turned into an MP3. But again, and speaking only from experience, its not actually a massive deal, I doubt I could tell the difference myself. Ignoring my abilities, though - I would certainly be able to tell if people on the dance floor noticed - a recent one I have played and been playing is Praga Kahn's "Injected With A Poison" original. No sound loss, or none that is noticeable. 192 bitrate. I take a lot of care with my sets, and certainly wouldn't play something that sounded poo quality. However, I firmly believe that people read the difference, then think they hear it, not the other way around. I have even played a 128 out, and that DID sound worse.
Another thing to bear in mind is that as you get older, the range your ears can hear changes. You loose the highest and lowest, and you keep losing it gradually through your whole life.
As to other things that are mentioned in this thread, perhaps I can shed a little light from the other side of the fence?
The reason a lot of sites don't do Wav or FLAC is to do with space and download / upload times. My site currently has close to 600 tracks or more for free download. In the past, we have had up to 4 terrabytes of downloads per month. And that is with 320 MP3s. Imaging that with FLAC. Not pleasant if you are paying for bandwidth, nor is it a fun job uploading that stuff. Perhaps people should? But as my site is free, I feel no obligation to do FLAC, especially as I know for a fact that the human ear cant tell the difference between that and a 320mp3, and also, I am not getting paid for it. Mine is a gift - its rude to complain about a gift lol.
Lastly, when you sell (or give away) a product, it is up to you how to sell it. It Ford want to make shitty slow cars with bad parts, that is their right. You dont walk in and say "Well, these aren't Lexus. Please make a Lexus". You either take the Ford as it is, or go to Lexus instead. No one is forced to buy any track. If you dont like it, then YOU dont like it. The problem is yours. Obviously, in the ideal world, everything would work out exactly how you want it to. But its not the ideal world, sadly (for all of us, lol). I can understand the frustration, but you have to respect the owners right to do what he wants with what he owns. Thats just how it is, whether buying a Mac or going to a supermarket. You get what your given. Personally, I like the look of the Ford Mustang, and wish it wasn't so fantastically shit with gas and smog issues. I wont buy one because of that. Also, its a bit of a dick head car, lol, but I still like it!
Bad service should always be highlighted though. A little patience is always appreciated, because many of us are one man bands doing multiple things - touring, running stores, engineering, promoting and dealing with artists, accounts and websites. We would all prefer a full time staff to do this for us, but there simply is nowhere near enough money to do that. The ones that can afford it, do so, but that is unusual.
Thats not an excuse for shitty service, but still, bear it in mind that even though you are the most important thing in your life, you are one of many things in the other persons life, and we all have to prioritize. Sometimes a customer complaint ends up lower on the list than it should, simply because other things which are critical to the success of the business need to be done first. I have certainly failed in the customer service dept. more than once, but never intentionally. None of us are perfect, and we dont have the staff or money to ensure we fix everything immediately. These are just reasons, not excuses! I know for a fact that Jon Doe, like all of us, greatly appreciate our fans. But we are only human. Well, I am, at least. Jon might be an alien, now that I think of it.
Thats my 5 pence woth, anyhow.
Maybe you're right. Maybe it's not the bitrate, but then it's the poor mastering. I bought 320k tracks from Sy & Unknown and from Al Storm, and they were in shit quality because they were not properly mastered. I asked them to remaster the tracks and they did it instantly, it took them like 5 to 10 minutes!
I was never talking about playing tracks out at clubs/raves! Sure you won't hear the difference in a club, especially not the crowd who has no clue about all of this. But like I said, this is for studio mixes, which have to be absolutely excellent, and when you switch from a track in 320k to one in 192, you do hear the difference :-(
Or maybe it's the mastering, like I said!
I know that as you get older you will not hear as good as when you were young, but I just turned 17 in February and I can say that I have an excellent ear, I have even passed some tests and I can hear some really high frequencies which can even make me insane! Some of you also may hear that: Do you know that sound when you turn the TV on and it makes "peeeeeeeeeeeee"? Or the computer.. obviously it's not the pee that most of you may think of right now. Well I do hear this sound and I have to take down the power at night when I go to bed because otherwise I can't sleep!
I don't think this has anything to do with being perfect or not. The tracks are great. The mastering is only a little part of the whole production, actually it's nothing. But it's what makes the difference at the end. And that's important imo!
Also, like I already said, I think the tracks from the NG store are ripped from Vinyl. Yeah it says 320k but I'd rather trust my ear. So you see, nothing to do with what's written, as I can tell the difference even if it says 320k. If you want I can make you some clips, and I bet even you will notice it!
Another trick would be to export the track in 192k, and then reconvert the MP3 file to 320k. It will say it's 320k but the quality won't change as it cannot get higher, just lower. You can turn a 320k track into a 64k track, but, as far as I know, you cannot turn a 64k track into 320k. Otherwise I wouldn't have created this thread.
The Mustang is a great car! I love it and I was always dreaming of it when I was little, especially when playing that video game "Driver" back in 1999 when it came out, on the PS1 :) I especially like the Shelby GT500! But just for your info, Mustangs also came with different engines, you don't need to take the most powerfull one with 500 HP  ( Ok now you could say I don't need to take 320k's versions! yeah haha stupid argument, but you cannot compare a car which is something you can touch to an mp3 file, which is virtual )
I see that you want to defend all the producers, but I actually never had a problem with your music Luna-C :) I love it and it's good like it is, if there was a problem I would have listed you ;-)
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 21:30:24
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
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Originally posted by Luna-C:Lastly, when you sell (or give away) a product, it is up to you how to sell it. It Ford want to make shitty slow cars with bad parts, that is their right. You dont walk in and say "Well, these aren't Lexus. Please make a Lexus". You either take the Ford as it is, or go to Lexus instead. No one is forced to buy any track. If you dont like it, then YOU dont like it. The problem is yours. Obviously, in the ideal world, everything would work out exactly how you want it to. But its not the ideal world, sadly (for all of us, lol). I can understand the frustration, but you have to respect the owners right to do what he wants with what he owns. Thats just how it is, whether buying a Mac or going to a supermarket. You get what your given. Personally, I like the look of the Ford Mustang, and wish it wasn't so fantastically shit with gas and smog issues. I wont buy one because of that. Also, its a bit of a dick head car, lol, but I still like it!
Good post, Luna-C. This quote, however, is a bit flawed. It's hard to compare that to buying an MP3. I'm not complaining about the content, I'm complaining about the quality. Say that Ford is used instead of brand new and it still costs very much, wouldn't you have doubts? Or if the seller didn't say it was used and then you buy it and notice it. Compare that to getting 192kbps instead of 320bkps. Maybe the difference in quality is not as apparant as you say but I feel better with 320kbps. :D
I wouldn't buy the Ford if I didn't like the features and I wouldn't buy the MP3 if I didn't like the track, but quality is a different matter.
Actually, I don't think quality is a different matter. All the components of a product (quality / price etc) are the responsibility of the seller. Ford would have every right to do as you say, and I would 100% have doubts, and I would probably call them idiots too. But the big result would be, I don't buy it.
It is their decision, not yours, and thats just how it is :o(
Personally, I am a big proponent of vote with your wallet. Lots of people buy, say, Bonkers, then bitch about it. If you didn't buy it, then they would earn less, and maybe change. Maybe not, too. But in buying it, you are financing NOT getting what you want and saying "I liked this. More please!". Likewise any MP3 store. If you don't like what they do, don't buy it. When businesses need money, they adapt. When they are doing well, then they will continue. If 3 people dont buy Bonkers because of the quality (for an example) and 100000000 people do, well, those 3 people are not the ones Bonkers has to look after. But when its the other way around its a whole other story.
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 21:34:47
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When businesses need money, they adapt. When they are doing well, then they will continue.
Afaik, Hardcore doesn't do that good, does it? 
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 21:41:19
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Hello Luna-C! First of all I would like to say that I love all of your work and all of the tracks that are signed to your Label, and that that I cannot wait to hear you live in Vienna next month!!
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
When tests were conducted in Germany under scientific conditions, to test the human ears ability to hear the difference between MP3s at 320 and 256 no one could tell the difference. They tried it on orchestral conductors, if I remember rightly, as these are people who have trained their whole lives to hear subtle nuances in music, and notice the slightest changes. So Revs, I have my doubts on that one. If you can actually hear the difference, you ears are magic ears. Just saying!
Incidentally, have played 192 out live on various occasions and in various sets and on various loud systems, and it has sounded no different to a 320, but it CAN do, it depends on the mastering of the track and overall compression before its turned into an MP3. But again, and speaking only from experience, its not actually a massive deal, I doubt I could tell the difference myself. Ignoring my abilities, though - I would certainly be able to tell if people on the dance floor noticed - a recent one I have played and been playing is Praga Kahn's "Injected With A Poison" original. No sound loss, or none that is noticeable. 192 bitrate. I take a lot of care with my sets, and certainly wouldn't play something that sounded poo quality. However, I firmly believe that people read the difference, then think they hear it, not the other way around. I have even played a 128 out, and that DID sound worse.
Another thing to bear in mind is that as you get older, the range your ears can hear changes. You loose the highest and lowest, and you keep losing it gradually through your whole life.
As to other things that are mentioned in this thread, perhaps I can shed a little light from the other side of the fence?
The reason a lot of sites don't do Wav or FLAC is to do with space and download / upload times. My site currently has close to 600 tracks or more for free download. In the past, we have had up to 4 terrabytes of downloads per month. And that is with 320 MP3s. Imaging that with FLAC. Not pleasant if you are paying for bandwidth, nor is it a fun job uploading that stuff. Perhaps people should? But as my site is free, I feel no obligation to do FLAC, especially as I know for a fact that the human ear cant tell the difference between that and a 320mp3, and also, I am not getting paid for it. Mine is a gift - its rude to complain about a gift lol.
Lastly, when you sell (or give away) a product, it is up to you how to sell it. It Ford want to make shitty slow cars with bad parts, that is their right. You dont walk in and say "Well, these aren't Lexus. Please make a Lexus". You either take the Ford as it is, or go to Lexus instead. No one is forced to buy any track. If you dont like it, then YOU dont like it. The problem is yours. Obviously, in the ideal world, everything would work out exactly how you want it to. But its not the ideal world, sadly (for all of us, lol). I can understand the frustration, but you have to respect the owners right to do what he wants with what he owns. Thats just how it is, whether buying a Mac or going to a supermarket. You get what your given. Personally, I like the look of the Ford Mustang, and wish it wasn't so fantastically shit with gas and smog issues. I wont buy one because of that. Also, its a bit of a dick head car, lol, but I still like it!
Bad service should always be highlighted though. A little patience is always appreciated, because many of us are one man bands doing multiple things - touring, running stores, engineering, promoting and dealing with artists, accounts and websites. We would all prefer a full time staff to do this for us, but there simply is nowhere near enough money to do that. The ones that can afford it, do so, but that is unusual.
Thats not an excuse for shitty service, but still, bear it in mind that even though you are the most important thing in your life, you are one of many things in the other persons life, and we all have to prioritize. Sometimes a customer complaint ends up lower on the list than it should, simply because other things which are critical to the success of the business need to be done first. I have certainly failed in the customer service dept. more than once, but never intentionally. None of us are perfect, and we dont have the staff or money to ensure we fix everything immediately. These are just reasons, not excuses! I know for a fact that Jon Doe, like all of us, greatly appreciate our fans. But we are only human. Well, I am, at least. Jon might be an alien, now that I think of it.
Thats my 5 pence woth, anyhow.
Maybe you're right. Maybe it's not the bitrate, but then it's the poor mastering. I bought 320k tracks from Sy & Unknown and from Al Storm, and they were in shit quality because they were not properly mastered. I asked them to remaster the tracks and they did it instantly, it took them like 5 to 10 minutes!
I was never talking about playing tracks out at clubs/raves! Sure you won't hear the difference in a club, especially not the crowd who has no clue about all of this. But like I said, this is for studio mixes, which have to be absolutely excellent, and when you switch from a track in 320k to one in 192, you do hear the difference :-(
Or maybe it's the mastering, like I said!
I know that as you get older you will not hear as good as when you were young, but I just turned 17 in February and I can say that I have an excellent ear, I have even passed some tests and I can hear some really high frequencies which can even make me insane! Some of you also may hear that: Do you know that sound when you turn the TV on and it makes "peeeeeeeeeeeee"? Or the computer.. obviously it's not the pee that most of you may think of right now. Well I do hear this sound and I have to take down the power at night when I go to bed because otherwise I can't sleep!
I don't think this has anything to do with being perfect or not. The tracks are great. The mastering is only a little part of the whole production, actually it's nothing. But it's what makes the difference at the end. And that's important imo!
Also, like I already said, I think the tracks from the NG store are ripped from Vinyl. Yeah it says 320k but I'd rather trust my ear. So you see, nothing to do with what's written, as I can tell the difference even if it says 320k. If you want I can make you some clips, and I bet even you will notice it!
Another trick would be to export the track in 192k, and then reconvert the MP3 file to 320k. It will say it's 320k but the quality won't change as it cannot get higher, just lower. You can turn a 320k track into a 64k track, but, as far as I know, you cannot turn a 64k track into 320k. Otherwise I wouldn't have created this thread.
The Mustang is a great car! I love it and I was always dreaming of it when I was little, especially when playing that video game "Driver" back in 1999 when it came out, on the PS1 :) I especially like the Shelby GT500! But just for your info, Mustangs also came with different engines, you don't need to take the most powerfull one with 500 HP ( Ok now you could say I don't need to take 320k's versions! yeah haha stupid argument, but you cannot compare a car which is something you can touch to an mp3 file, which is virtual )
I see that you want to defend all the producers, but I actually never had a problem with your music Luna-C :) I love it and it's good like it is, if there was a problem I would have listed you ;-)
Its all good - I wasn't really criticizing you, nor did I take offesce, I was just trying to add the other perspective.
Two things though - I am not trying to defend all producers - some are a-holes who I would happily never deal with ever lol, but I know Jon Doe is a good guy, and also that his head is in the clouds sometimes. I think that goes hand in hand with being very creative - a creative mind is often not so good with business, and vice versa.
The other thing is, of course you can tell the difference between an MP3 rip from vinyl and otherwise. Vinyl crackles, and even a never before played vinyl will record with surface noise. At a guess, I would imagine that the Next Gen store lost a bunch of original master recordings, and had no choice but to do vinyl rips. If that is what they have done, it should be stated on the website, otherwise it is a little misleading.
Some of the tracks on my site are vinyl rips because I lost about 14 masters recorded on to a DAT which got eaten by the machine. I will never get those back :o( You are young so you probably dont know so much about this stuff. I am so very old now lol, and I forget how many new people come into the scene and wouldn't ever think that music was stored on crappy digital tape. But that was all we had until the CDR was invented :o) Sorry if I sound patronizing and if you knew that already lol! But no one would put vinyl rips on the store instead of original masters because a vinyl rip is harder work to do. Makes no sense, you see?
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 21:54:20
Yeah I'm sure Jon Doe is a good guy! And I agree on the thing with being creative and being a business man doesn't go together.
And of course, if some of the original masters or whole project files got lost ( I know that Vagabond hast lost most of his tracks because of Hard Disk failure for example  ) I can understand that, it's better than nothing, but I've even asked them and they told me that they're not vinyl rips. Now how would you feel in that case?
Sure I knew that lol, but no problem - you're oldskool, that's it 
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 22:35:01
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Yeah I'm sure Jon Doe is a good guy! And I agree on the thing with being creative and being a business man doesn't go together.
And of course, if some of the original masters or whole project files got lost ( I know that Vagabond hast lost most of his tracks because of Hard Disk failure for example ) I can understand that, it's better than nothing, but I've even asked them and they told me that they're not vinyl rips. Now how would you feel in that case?
Sure I knew that lol, but no problem - you're oldskool, that's it
Well I dont know. Sometimes tracks use crackly samples so they sound like sample rips but they aren't, but yeah, I dont, that doesn't sound right to me really. I would have to hear them, and even then I don't know what to say about that, lol. Its not for me to comment on specific instances with other people and labels - how would I know who was right? I can only do generalizations unless dealing with my label / ethics specifically, or breaches of law. Plus Brisk and Ham are my friends, so best i refrain from any comment lol.
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 22:36:59
Oops - were you talking about Jon Does label? I cant comment on that either, but thought you were talking about Next Gen!
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Posted - 2010/04/11 : 01:15:57
big read.
I think of it as quite relative. Its tough to hear difference in quality from each benchmark bitrate to another, though its a clearer quality when you make big jumps.
Thats all I can contribute since this convo is far beyond my understanding. I just save peoples lives ;)
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Luna: He was talking about both actually :P
anyways, Revs, you can convert a 32kb/s to 320kb/s, and it will say 320kb/s (even if you convert it to Variable Bit Rate, it will still say a higher bitrate than 32kb/s). But if you're talking about the sound, well, computers cant hear them as good as you :)
But I've also noticed that some of the older NG/BB are infact not top notch, but then Im just talking about the volume. Better they're lower than they've been compressed to much just to get as close to 0dB as possible
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Posted - 2010/04/11 : 11:59:25
Yeah the CLSM store also had some Vinyl rips but now I was referring to Next Gen! And no it's no crackly sample lol, I can hear the sound from the Vinyl at the very beginning (the track starts only after some seconds).
For older tracks, who have like 15 years, I can understand that of course. But the ones I bought were from 2005 or so...
Samination: Yeah that's what I said! It will say 320 but the quality won't be better than the 64k ;)
The thing is, Hardcore is not a very popular genre. So it has to give the best it can! In music genres like House or Trance, this is not a problem: You will find each track in 320k on zippyshare and a countless number of unreleased tracks uploaded by someone on the internet. There's no problem for me to do a perfect House set, I play House a lot (More than Hardcore..) and there's never a problem finding whatever I'm looking after. If I contact an artist, he may not respond, but there's no reason in contacting him, since everything that is made by him or uploaded on sites like trackitdown is in absolutely excellent quality and perfectly mastered. See my point?
And it makes me sad, because Hardcore is great of course, but it doesn't give you everything it can! I know it could give us more!
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Posted - 2010/04/11 : 23:58:48
Wow, you're a very vocal consumer...
Honestly, I'd be very surprised if, blindfolded, you could tell the difference between a properly encoded 256 and a 320.
In tests they've done, the new generation actually seems to prefer slightly lower bitrate mp3s because they're so used to them.
I agree that a store providing that service, and likely taking a healthy cut, should take care of their customers. You have to understand how busy someone like clsm is though: between djing, engineering, producing and dealing with the store, the bitrate of your track probably isn't his first priority....
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nicolaslievens
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 00:07:50
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
Honestly, I'd be very surprised if, blindfolded, you could tell the difference between a properly encoded 256 and a 320.
i can easily heard the difference !
it's like an mp3 and a vinyl... very easy to compare
and you heard that more when it's a vocal track
also when you said that we have to understand the shop for the bitrate, i think they have to upload 320 tracks at the beggining, when you pay for a track, a can have a quality track, then wav or 320
because they are busy is not a good reason to give bad quality track, raw elements for example, sc@r and uplift are busy too but tracks are all in 320kbs and when i have had a problem with one, uplift gave me a new link the same day...
well, that's my opinion, that's how i'm seeing those things, this is not against you :)
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Dj Sc@r
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 00:31:51
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Originally posted by nicolaslievens:
because they are busy is not a good reason to give bad quality track, raw elements for example, sc@r and uplift are busy too but tracks are all in 320kbs and when i have had a problem with one, uplift gave me a new link the same day...
Thanks Nicolas. we try to keep everyone satisfied, obviously there can be some problems with websites etc but if there ever has been we have tried to get on it the second we are aware of it and fix the problem.
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