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Revs
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 Posted - 2010/04/03 : 14:36:13
I hate it that the best music has the worst service. Each track I buy in the mp3 store of a label ( that means not trackitdown, imodownload etc ) comes in shit quality. Yesterday I bought some stuff in the NG store, and the track wasn't in very good quality. I contacted Ham but he hasn't answered yet, probably because he hasn't been on facebook yet. That's okay..
Then I bought something in the Quosh Records store. The track came in 195k. Sy immediately sent me an E-Mail with the mastered track in 320! That's awesome, he answered in seconds :-) really appreciate it mate! Seems to be nice guy!
And then comes the CLSM store, that is the worst of all. I had talked to Jon Doe some times, not about Hardcore but about completely different things, and he seemed to be a cool guy! But when it comes to the music, he sucks imo! I think a year ago or so, I purchased the Cube::Hard Remix of Timebomb, which came in 256. I was a bit disappointed, so I contacted Jon Doe. He actually "laughed" at me and didn't really seem to care! I then asked Tom (Cube::Hard) if I could get a mastered 320, which I got immediately! Now it has happened again, I bought the Fergus Mayhem Mix of John Peel is not Enough, which came in 192. I don't know if I should contact Jon Doe again because some days ago I asked him if "Cash Money" was in 320, and he just said it was a short tune, but didn't answer my question. Some days earlier I asked him if "Hardcore Barriers" was going to be released, same thing he didn't want to answer, until finally he DID answer and put the track in the CLSM store under a different name.
What's with the lack of sympathy? I think I understand why people like Sy are the "top guns" now, sympathy is something important actually, and to me the image that Jon Doe has given me, is the one from someone who thinks he makes music better than anyone else's and is "too good" to answer to people's questions. And I think it's really stupid to act this way, and saying he doesn't have time would be even weirder, if he doesn't have time, how does Sy have the time to answer my mails 30 seconds after I sent them?
And it really disappoints me, because Jon Doe really makes good music and is actually one of my favourite producers, but this behaviour just disgustes me. The reason why people like Joey Riot are so famous is because of their 5000 friends on facebook, everyone comments their stuff but they answer back with joy, they post funny statuses and have fun with people they don't even know, Brisk is uploading funny as shit pics all the time and everybody laughs, everyone likes to be around him, whereas Jon Doe feels too good for this world.
And maybe this is the reason why people share tracks, personally I don't want to buy Jon Doe's stuff anymore, and if I download it somewhere it might not be in 320, but what does that change, if I buy it in the CLSM store it won't be in better quality anyway...
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Edited by - Revs on 2010/04/03 14:43:05 |
latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/04/03 : 15:29:42
wow that really does suck to hear about jon doe being unfriendly about the quality issue of his tracks. but yea i hear sy is a really good guy bout keepin his fans happy, and brisk respond quickly for the most part on his emails.
as for ham, be patient he does take awhile sometimes but i'm sure he'll get ur stuff situated. i guess i'll be thinking twice before going to the clsm store, or just simply avoid clsm tracks if they are not in 320.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/04/03 : 15:42:17
I think Jon Doe read this because he answered now! lol
I always try to avoid the CLSM store, not only because of the quality of the tracks, but also because the site is poorly coded.. I don't know who made it, but sometimes when I put a track in my cart, it suddenly disappears, or loggs me off and things like that.. I've checked if it has something to do with me (cookies, etc.. ) but it's the site.
The thing is, some of the tracks (actually most of them) are exclusive to the clsm store. When there's a track from an artist I somehow "know" or have contact to, I directly contact him, and I can always transfer the money over paypal to his account.
Well in Ham's biography on the Kniteforce Revolution site, Luna-C says this here: Ham is a difficult person to get to know, as he is quite shy, and, as often happens, people mistake shyness for moodiness. I think anyone who truly loves & lives music finds it difficult to express themselves properly to people, because they live in a world of musical language, which hinders spoken language. I think Ham is a good example of this, because once we got past that initial stage, I found him to be a man of sharp wit and intellect.
So I don't take it bad 
I also love Vagabond! We have the same opinions on the scene, etc.. and he's cool to speak with! Vagabond is my god
Edit: oh and I just bought 2 tracks in the clsm store, it said they're in low bit rate but they were in 320 this time.. very strange lol..
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Posted - 2010/04/03 : 16:08:49
Thats probably a good thing. You posted criticism, he responded. Unfortunately it now seems that it took public criticism to get a response, but sometimes life is such.
I wonder whatever happened to compulsion and the whole clsm australia thing?
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/04/03 : 17:14:55
never really liked CLSM/Jon Doe's stuff. The tracks that appared on Bonkers 9 and 10 where quite nice, but I never really liked the stuff after, especially the hardscape stuff. Jon Doe has been around but I think he think he's a revolutionary
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Posted - 2010/04/03 : 17:51:36
WOW!
That's a lot of criticism for quite a trivial problem, lot of assumptions there too.
I've had my fair share of problems with various stores too - and had to make complaints with varying degrees of success, but using words like 'disgusting' is well over the top.
Just be lucky that you're in a position where you can directly contact the people involved instead of getting passed from person to person with no chance of an answer.
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HARRIBO
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Posted - 2010/04/03 : 18:40:56
had a few probs with various different stores over the years and always had good communication from them. 1 thing you have to realise is these people are usually travelling round the country doing sets also maybe spending hours at a time in the studios producing etc and cant always reply within 30 seconds. with next gens store try contacting brisk. this is not the reason for file sharing and should not be suggested as so!
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 21:13:41
Until you buy a track from Evolution for 2 pounds and realize it's 192kbps, you are in no position to whine! :D My fault though, for not reading properly that all tracks in the shop are 192kbps. There are even some tracks there priced at 2.50... For one 192kbps track!
I'll never buy from Evo again.
About the CLSM site, I gotta check the tunes I bought from there now... To see if they're 320kbps. I bought the Timebomb (Cube::Hard Remix) from there a month ago or so, and I see now it's 256kbps. :( Luckily the other tracks I bought are 320kbps, but those tracks aren't CLSM/Jon Doe himself but from HU and a StrifeII track.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 21:25:51
You shouldn't really be hastling the producers or label owners about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them. It isn't their responsibility, so if they don't care it's not their fault. Contact the respective store instead.
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 21:27:32
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
You shouldn't really be hastling the producers or label owners about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them. It isn't their responsibility, so if they don't care it's not their fault. Contact the respective store instead.
That's what Revs did. Jon Doe runs the CLSM store, Sy runs the Quosh store... He only asked Cube::Hard cause Jon Doe wouldn't care about his problem, and Tom didn't seem to mind.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 21:29:11
Well it's just mp3's at the end of the day, he probably sells them grudgingly and would prefer if people bought actual physical copies. There would be no issue then.
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 21:30:04
To be honest most of this topic is almost just whingey.
Whinging that a track is 256kb/s instead of 320? If it was encoded well, none of you would tell the difference apart from your media player telling you what the bitrate is.
2 and a half pounds is a bit hefty for a 192... but i highly doubt many of you can tell the difference anyway as it's almost negligable.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 21:31:46
And certainly if your intending on playing them out then if your willing to play out mp3's to begin with then there isn't really that much difference. If it was between .wav and 192 kbps mp3 then it would be different.
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 21:37:43
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And certainly if your intending on playing them out then if your willing to play out mp3's to begin with then there isn't really that much difference. If it was between .wav and 192 kbps mp3 then it would be different.
Which brings about my question. Why are these stores not offering their tracks in WAV format? If i do buy tracks online i rarely use any other store other than Juno simply because, more often than not, the option between 192/320kbps/WAV is there for me.
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 21:49:36
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
And certainly if your intending on playing them out then if your willing to play out mp3's to begin with then there isn't really that much difference. If it was between .wav and 192 kbps mp3 then it would be different.
Which brings about my question. Why are these stores not offering their tracks in WAV format? If i do buy tracks online i rarely use any other store other than Juno simply because, more often than not, the option between 192/320kbps/WAV is there for me.
Unless you're listening off a very high end and flat system, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference between lossless and 320kb/s. The point being that 320 is fine. The difference between 256 and 320 is negligable... and unless you're listening on an accurate system you wouldn't notice anyway... Actually you wouldn't pick up on it then anyway.
The casual listener wouldn't even notice the difference between lossless and 192.
All these preconceived notions of 320 bitrate mp3's is ridiculous. Nearly ALL my tracks sent to record labels for a digital release are variable bitrate mp3s (the bitrate is changed dynamically for a mix between saving space and saving quality - which is when you get random bitrates like 212 or 241 etc) and they're FINE! Nobody has EVER made a comment about the quality.
Because nobody can tell the difference.
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Posted - 2010/04/04 : 22:24:22
The people at JAL are pretty nice. They had the sound samples mixed up for DJ DNA-"Go Insane", and I wound up buying the wrong track because of the wrong sample, and the guy sent me the right track within a day. I did buy "Fly With You" from the NG store, and it's horrible quality, but it's been so long now, I doubt anything could be done. I just assumed if I asked for a refund or a better track, they would just say "that's all we have, sorry.", but other than that 1 track, I've had a good experience with NG/BB
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