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Revs
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 Posted - 2010/04/04 : 23:31:56
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Originally posted by Samination:
never really liked CLSM/Jon Doe's stuff. The tracks that appared on Bonkers 9 and 10 where quite nice, but I never really liked the stuff after, especially the hardscape stuff. Jon Doe has been around but I think he think he's a revolutionary
I always liked most of his stuff. I love the normal Hardcore tracks ( like John Peel is not Enough or Transmission to Mars ) but I also like all of his Breakbeat Hardcore stuff ( like Drifting Away, etc.. but also the newer ones ). Not sure about the Hardscape stuff, I don't really see the point of it.. it's a bit harder and like 3 bpm slower if I'm right ? It's funny how the site says "CLSM - World leaders in Hardscape" you know anyone else producing Hardscape? lol
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Originally posted by djDMS:
WOW!
That's a lot of criticism for quite a trivial problem, lot of assumptions there too.
I've had my fair share of problems with various stores too - and had to make complaints with varying degrees of success, but using words like 'disgusting' is well over the top.
Just be lucky that you're in a position where you can directly contact the people involved instead of getting passed from person to person with no chance of an answer.
Yeah I see what you mean... in the DnB scene you don't even get an answer when you have a problem... I guess they're too busy, but I see their point, I mean the Hardcore scene is nothing, it's like a family lol
And it "disgustes" me because Jon Doe is one of my favourite producers, I don't like any of the new Hardcore stuff and he's one of the only ones making good music imo. And then they're complaining about nobody being into Hardcore and stuff like that! or people sharing their tracks....
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Originally posted by HARRIBO:
had a few probs with various different stores over the years and always had good communication from them. 1 thing you have to realise is these people are usually travelling round the country doing sets also maybe spending hours at a time in the studios producing etc and cant always reply within 30 seconds. with next gens store try contacting brisk. this is not the reason for file sharing and should not be suggested as so!
Yeah, actually Jon Doe is in Australia now. I asked him for a 320k version of John Peel but he said I'll get it when he's back. And no it has nothing to do with that, he was already on Facebook before, he just ignored my post ;) if I wouldn't have written this he'd never have come back to it. Also I just bought Drifting Away digitally and it came in 192 which sickens me >.<
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
Until you buy a track from Evolution for 2 pounds and realize it's 192kbps, you are in no position to whine! :D My fault though, for not reading properly that all tracks in the shop are 192kbps. There are even some tracks there priced at 2.50... For one 192kbps track!
I'll never buy from Evo again.
About the CLSM site, I gotta check the tunes I bought from there now... To see if they're 320kbps. I bought the Timebomb (Cube::Hard Remix) from there a month ago or so, and I see now it's 256kbps. :( Luckily the other tracks I bought are 320kbps, but those tracks aren't CLSM/Jon Doe himself but from HU and a StrifeII track.
Thanks for saying that! Yesterday I was just thinking about buying some tracks there ;-)
I also contacted Scott Brown to ask him if I could get a mastered 320 version of "I died in Aberdeen" but it seems like it's only available on Vinyl... He didn't answer yet and I doubt he will. I'll explain why I need the tracks digitally in mastered 320 later in my post.
Yup that's what I said, Timebomb was in 256.. whereas on trackitdown it's in 320. But I saw it too late!
And yes, I also have those StrifeII tracks, they're all in 320 :-)
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
You shouldn't really be hastling the producers or label owners about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them. It isn't their responsibility, so if they don't care it's not their fault. Contact the respective store instead.
It has. Sometimes it's the label owner who masters all the tracks. And when it comes to "public sites" like trackitdown, it's the producer who uploads his own tracks. That's what Al Storm told me some time ago! I bought the tracks but they were unmastered. A bit later he sent me all the stuff for free perfectly mastered and since then I'm very happy and I like him :)
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Well it's just mp3's at the end of the day, he probably sells them grudgingly and would prefer if people bought actual physical copies. There would be no issue then.
Vinyl seems to disappear these days, especially when it comes to these types of tracks. None of them will ever see a Vinyl release...
And there would be an issue, you wouldn't be able to get the tracks in perfectly quality when ripping them! And now I'll tell you why I need this...
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
To be honest most of this topic is almost just whingey.
Whinging that a track is 256kb/s instead of 320? If it was encoded well, none of you would tell the difference apart from your media player telling you what the bitrate is.
2 and a half pounds is a bit hefty for a 192... but i highly doubt many of you can tell the difference anyway as it's almost negligable.
First of all, I do hear the difference between 256 and 320. Why do you think ist the Digitally Imported Premium channel in 256 and not 320?! It's premium..? For the simple reason because people would just rip the tracks and the sets if it was in 320!
"many of you" is not me anyway
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
And certainly if your intending on playing them out then if your willing to play out mp3's to begin with then there isn't really that much difference. If it was between .wav and 192 kbps mp3 then it would be different.
The first reason why I need all tracks in mastered 320kbps is because I use them for studio mixes. They have to be absolutely perfect and if a track is not correctly mastered or encoded it will sound like shit. The second reason is that Digitally Imported requires everything in 320, even if the maximum stream rate is 256 - that's one of their rules. Don't forget, Digitally Imported is a channel where people like Armin van Buuren have their liveshows, it's something serious!
There's no big difference between 320 mp3 and wav. Maybe if you're an alien, but normal people can't hear the higher and lower frequencies and when a track is encoded in 320 kbps it covers all these frequencies that we can hear, and not more because it would be useless. Now of course, if you're planing to make a rave for elephants, who can hear extremely low frequencies, or dolphins, who can hear extremely HIGH frequencies, wav will not be enough!
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Why are these stores not offering their tracks in WAV format? If i do buy tracks online i rarely use any other store other than Juno simply because, more often than not, the option between 192/320kbps/WAV is there for me.
I wouldn't buy wav's for the reason above and also because they cost more. So it's just a loss of money. But if you really want them, I think trackitdown also sells tracks in wav.
Oh and when I get promos the artists also always upload them in wav..
I think one reason is that mp3 sometimes doesn't work! Some time ago Al Storm sent me track and I said something like "just upload it in mp3, takes less time" and he was like "no I'll up it in wav, they may be encoding problems with mp3" which actually already happened to me before and I couldn't open the file. It said it was "broken". But after I got the track I immediately converted it to 320k mp3 because it saves a lot of space ( 15 mb instead of 50 if I'm right ).
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Unless you're listening off a very high end and flat system, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference between lossless and 320kb/s. The point being that 320 is fine. The difference between 256 and 320 is negligable... and unless you're listening on an accurate system you wouldn't notice anyway... Actually you wouldn't pick up on it then anyway.
The casual listener wouldn't even notice the difference between lossless and 192.
All these preconceived notions of 320 bitrate mp3's is ridiculous. Nearly ALL my tracks sent to record labels for a digital release are variable bitrate mp3s (the bitrate is changed dynamically for a mix between saving space and saving quality - which is when you get random bitrates like 212 or 241 etc) and they're FINE! Nobody has EVER made a comment about the quality.
Because nobody can tell the difference.
I do listen on an accurate soundsystem! And I can tell the difference, like I already said.
Maybe nobody complained because not many heard your tracks? Or what is that label you're signed to, I'm sure it's not Next Generation Records...? ;)
But the point is that I need the tracks in top quality for studio mixes!
Edit: this post is so long that the forum wasn't able to preview it haha
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 00:12:41
Well when i said physical copy i meant exactly that, not just vinyl but CD and any other medium you can think of.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 01:31:16
Yeah but it's not like there's so many unmixed CDs (We're talking bout unmixed/full tunes, don't forget!)
And which other medium? lol
I can only think of CD and Vinyl... :)
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 01:37:09
I didn't have anything specific in mind, i was just making a point. Also i'm not talking about unmixed CD's, i'm talking about CD releases. They were doing fine before mp3's came along which rendered them pointless.
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 04:58:07
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I didn't have anything specific in mind, i was just making a point. Also i'm not talking about unmixed CD's, i'm talking about CD releases. They were doing fine before mp3's came along which rendered them pointless.
the same can pretty much be said about cassettes when cds came out. pretty much it's an improvement in technology, in the case of mp3s you are able to have access to it faster and can sometimes be more reliable
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 08:28:19
Andy: You do? then I've propably bought a transcoded copy of CarnEvil (Gabber), since it's CBR 320kbps, and that's even worse than just being 192...
latin: technically, MP3 isnt an improvment of the CD. SACD and DVD (and prop Bluray) is, or rather was, DVD-Audio didn't really go well with people. If it wasn't for vinyls sickness of pops an cracks, I have to say that it is still the best sound you can get... if it was recorded analog at first, and not throu digital means, then it's just a CD or WAV pressed on plastic
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 08:49:12
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Originally posted by Samination:
Andy: You do? then I've propably bought a transcoded copy of CarnEvil (Gabber), since it's CBR 320kbps, and that's even worse than just being 192...
old track is old. I started wayyyyyyy after carnevil. Take a look at 'Twisted' for example.
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 08:56:09
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Andy: You do? then I've propably bought a transcoded copy of CarnEvil (Gabber), since it's CBR 320kbps, and that's even worse than just being 192...
old track is old. I started wayyyyyyy after carnevil. Take a look at 'Twisted' for example.
old track might be old, but will you make more gabber? :)
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 09:12:48
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Andy: You do? then I've propably bought a transcoded copy of CarnEvil (Gabber), since it's CBR 320kbps, and that's even worse than just being 192...
old track is old. I started wayyyyyyy after carnevil. Take a look at 'Twisted' for example.
old track might be old, but will you make more gabber? :)
It might be on the cards...
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Posted - 2010/04/05 : 13:33:26
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Originally posted by Samination:
If it wasn't for vinyls sickness of pops an cracks, I have to say that it is still the best sound you can get...
The best you can get is what comes out of the sequencer after being mastered!
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Posted - 2010/04/08 : 18:36:29
Again, I bought tracks from the Next Generation/Blatant Beats store (older tracks, from mid-2000 or so) and it really seems like the quality is not fine! Altough in iTunes it says 320, but I'd rather trust my ear.
Like I said, I already contacted Ham and told him about my problem, I asked if the tracks are vinyl rips because of the quality, and he said no. And I never had the problem with Ham's tracks! The problem is every track Brisk is involved in. Most tracks have a poor quality, not enough highs, not properly mastered, etc etc.. and in some you even hear the "ssssshhhhh" from the record before the first beat kick in.
Well anyway, this topic is from now the topic for complaints, and if someone happens to you, write it hear and the whole world will read it :)
Oh and trackitdown is really good because:
- you can buy wav's, since some of you want them
- all the tracks are in good quality and in 320k
So I bought the tracks which I bought in the CLSM store again on trackitdown (Jon Doe is only back in a week from australia, and I don't wanna wait) which would mean I totally payed like 6 for 2 tracks, since 2 of the copies I bought in the CLSM store were useless.... well, Jon Doe.. consider this as a donation..
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Posted - 2010/04/08 : 23:56:32
I bought Retro Rush and Hyperspace (Brisk's Banging Mix) from Next Gen store and I always thought the quality was poor for being 320kbps master. Definitely not worth the overpriced 1,75 british pounds tag (ok for newer tunes maybe but for 10 year old tunes, which seem to be in poor quality?).
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Posted - 2010/04/09 : 11:58:40
I so agree! What's with all the overpriced tracks? Evolution Records, Next Gen Records,... CLSM store can be quite cheap, but you never know if it's gonna be good quality or not. I don't like these sites where they don't tell you what bitrate it's in and if it's even properly mastered or not..
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 16:32:04
well, i can see that lots of shops are not reliable, but maybe should you also speak about the good shops ?
my favorite is the rawelements store
why ?
- because all the tracks are 320bps
- because one day, a long time ago, i bought "hardcore power", he the link to download the tracks wasn't appear. i have contacted uplift on the end of the afternoon, the evening, he gave me a new link by mail !
- the website is easy, no need to searched for hours to do what you want
- there's free mixes
- because all the tracks are awesome :p
also, the lethal theory store, wich is actually serioussound is very good: easy, free tracks, 320kbs, lots of security
same thing for thin and crispy
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 17:07:29
My favourite shop is Juno. ^^
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