ChiefRocka Senior Member
United States
297 posts Joined: Feb, 2011
Posted - 2011/04/02 : 21:23:27
The execution with that was HORRIBLE. Holy jesus wow, that as beyond bad. I need to offset it with something... ANYTHING...
That's better.
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/04/02 : 23:15:00
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
.... dont listen to this...
Sounds the same as all other Hardcore to me lol.
I have to say I do sort of agree. I mean, I guess you all don't like it because of the piano bits and stuff? Aside from those bits I can't tell it apart from any other tune out now to be honest.
Not being funny or anything but seriously, it was pretty hard with the vocal trancey stuff but the hard bassline stuff is just impossible for me
ChiefRocka Senior Member
United States
297 posts Joined: Feb, 2011
Posted - 2011/04/02 : 23:31:57
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Sounds the same as all other Hardcore to me lol.
I have to say I do sort of agree. I mean, I guess you all don't like it because of the piano bits and stuff? Aside from those bits I can't tell it apart from any other tune out now to be honest.
Not being funny or anything but seriously, it was pretty hard with the vocal trancey stuff but the hard bassline stuff is just impossible for me
It's like you two only listen to mainstream hardcore. Not that all mainstream hardcore is bad, but come on...
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acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2011/04/02 : 23:49:01
Im in a debate with another hardcore listener on youtube about this track.
Me: you know, i dont really like this much. sorry not to be another zombie who loves every song made, but im not hearing much good hardcore lately.
Danmayb: who the hell likes every song made? no-one is forcing you here you cynical **** lol
Me: do you like it then?
Danmayb: yeah i do actually >> i do enjoy a nice bit of stomping upfront hardcore. love the use of bass and the sherlock holmes sample here, right up my street. decent stuff.
Me: right then. enough said. your a zombie.
ive heard of you man you're Archefluxx right? yeah thats it! the biggest mouth on the scene, massively over opinionated about everyone else but your own work is pretty shit lol ive seen you around on the hardcore forums. you keep saying the same shit over about how you don't like hardcore lately, so what the **** are you doing here man? their is plenty of wicked talent out there that will continue the scene without missing you dude lol
Me: I'm glad my names getting around, but you've been mis informed. I enjoy some bits and pieces, but the stuff people like unknown and sy and re-con produce nowadays isnt very good. I'm a consumer - and yes im opinionated. Consumers are allowed opinions, believe it or not. And of course my stuff isnt as good, moron. I havent been producing this stuff professionally for 15 odd years like these guys. I dont take it as seriously and im not signed to big labels. So that point strikes me as irrelevant.
oh yeah and for the record - check the hhc forums for the thread about this tune. I'm not the only one who holds the opinion. Shut your bitching and grow up. I'm the first to have an opinion, yes, but your the first one to start these pathetic conflicts. Stop trying to earn brownie points for 'sticking up' for producers. u only make yourself sound desperate. I had an opinion about the song, and you justified my point about the zombie listeners. if you have an issue, put it on a forum.
Now, I didnt want to have a big arguement on yt, but if there was going to be one - he'd have been the belligerent. This guy strikes me as the sort who will really suck up to producers by sticking up for them. A typical zombie who sucks up and loves everything made, even when the productions are as bad as this. His only aguement is that im over-opinionated and my musics shit. I dont see why having an opinion, as a consumer of hardcore, is a bad thing... i dont see why making music thats not as good is of any relevance...
This kind of ignorance annoys me. Yes the zombie comment was controversial, but you do get these sorts of people who will do anything to earn a cookie from top tiers - because top tier artists do watch the vids and read the comments occassionally. rhythmics is another person who I find sucks up like this.
at the end of the day i didnt like the song, and I said that i didnt like much hardcore nowadays. I like some, but not allot. Top tier artists produce shit like 'art of fighting' and 'silver finger', or have grinded to a stop - much like hixxy. every other artist is producing the same sounding melodic stuff with awful drops and thin leads. Might sound clean but **** me its boring!! There are very few artists who I think are doing a good job with music. Making it sound interesting and well produced - Vacuum Music, Audio Weaponry, NEC, various others, but there is so much utter rubbish out now the good stuff gets diluted too much. Too much bedroom ran labels releasing too much single layer lead, single layer bass, weak kick crap. Thats my opinion....
Now im not saying I'm the perfect producer. ****, im rubbish compared to most. i dont kid myself about that fact, but i dont take production seriously. Who would for 23 for a track that gets to 2nd on the tid top 100??? I know my production isnt tight and crisp sounding with that perfect studio mastered edge, but im still someone who listens to and buys hardcore, and im entitled to an opinion like every other sorry ****er who risks being ripped to shreds by communities at a time. I dont see how producing music has any impact on my right to complain, or commend!! Rhythmics once said to someone who critisised his music "you go do better" or words to that effect - which I dont get. Whats the point in telling everyone to go do better if they dont like your stuff?? Surely you produce music for the people who're meant to buy it. Even clubland know that they have to listen to what people think. Thats how they are so successful...
But yeah I am over opinionated. Its got me into allot of online scraps, but from that ive learnt allot and feel better for having an opinion instead of sitting here wondering what speaking-my-mind would do to my 'name and reputation'. I'm sure chris unknown, re-con and sy hate me for saying what i say, but im not trying to impress them. Im speaking my mind. They probably look at danmayb and think 'yeah hes sticking up for us what a lad!' - so i guess his missions complete, but he still looks like a brown nosing bitch - again.
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Im not drunk, im just bored of not having the motivation to write this. its not particularly structured. its just me pouring my brain fluids into a forum.
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2011/04/03 : 00:01:14
@ hard2get & nekoshuffle if you're basing that on comparing it to what's being produced by the raverbaby crew, ep, twista & quosh labels, then tbh i agree
but if you're including nextgen, bb/ hu, & nu energy labels then clearly you two need your ears checked and your head examined
JayHH86 Advanced Member
Vietnam
1,400 posts Joined: Dec, 2008
Posted - 2011/04/03 : 06:09:14
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc: @ hard2get & nekoshuffle if you're basing that on comparing it to what's being produced by the raverbaby crew, ep, twista & quosh labels, then tbh i agree
but if you're including nextgen, bb/ hu, & nu energy labels then clearly you two need your ears checked and your head examined
Yeah man. This.
I'm not suggesting you're saying it for the sake of it or anything, or for effect (Matt & Neko) - but if this track was similar to the majority of current stuff out there at the moment, I'd be nowhere near Hardcore.
Granted, there's a number of tracks that sound similar. But there is a load of good stuff out there that doesn't sound a thing like this.
JayHH86 Advanced Member
Vietnam
1,400 posts Joined: Dec, 2008
Posted - 2011/04/03 : 06:14:25
lol, Olly.
Cracks me up that this random guys knows about the infamous 'Archefluxx'. He sounded like a little kid who'd been talking with his mates at play-time about an evil, internet trawling, ranting monster called Archefluxx.
That said. I know exactly why he gets pissed off. I think he genuinely likes that track. Nothing wrong with that. I don't think my opinion is God-like and divine. If he likes it, he likes it. No worries. So, when you go accusing someone of being an arse-licking zombie - when in actual fact they just honestly like this track, they are going to get pissed off mate.
There is nothing wrong with being opinionated. There's not a lot wrong with being over opinionated. But, you do have a habit of throwing in random/personal insults along with your opinions. That's why you get yourself into a lot of these spats - or rather, that's why some arguments escalate the way that have done in the past.
Doesn't bother me personally, because we've never had a disagreement. Until now.......LOL, nah only joking.
You know I think you're a good lad, but I can definitely see why people react the way they sometimes do.
djDMS Advanced Member
United Kingdom
10,304 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
572 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/04/03 : 10:33:49
Beware the Fluxxmonster! Totally agree though. Arguments about the 'ferocity' of how the point is made aside, it's worth it just to see how people react to what is just an opinion. Nothing at all wrong with saying you don't like something, just seems that there's a 'how dare you dislike anything hardcore' brigade that easily get offended by negative comments. A big proportion of my all time favourite tracks are by these 3 producers, so it's disappointing that this tune isn't very good (in my opinion). That and the large amounts of shite released over the past few years are worrying, but not the end of the world. Still plenty worth listening to if you make the effort to find it. Another problem is that music generally sounds better loud and at an event and people associate good times and memories with good nights and this often means tracks are more fondly remembered than they should be. Bit like going out and pulling what you think is a cracking bird then the next morning finding out she looks like your gran!
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