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8D
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 Posted - 2011/01/12 : 05:42:54
I had a Roland MC 505, but the stupid stoned 14 year old version of myself let my mum sell it at a garage sale :(
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/12 : 12:08:46
Haha! Someone got a bargain that day!
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2011/01/12 : 14:44:32
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Originally posted by Ogirod:
Can any one suggest software that is easy (I mean really strait forward) to use and will work well with hardware?
I'll also have to look into buying a mixing desk hey. Should I get a laptop or home computer for production?
We use a Mac (not a lap top) running Logic. Many will tell you that a PC is better and that you can use much simpler software. We are sure of our choice.
A good condition, second hand, Mackie desk will be ideal if it has enough channels to accomodate all of your hardware.
You'll need sufficient midi leads and audio leads to link it all up and a suitable midi interface and you're away! :)
The final mixing down and mastering can be done on your computer.
Good luck.
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I had a Roland MC 505, but the stupid stoned 14 year old version of myself let my mum sell it at a garage sale :(
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2011/01/12 : 17:02:24
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Well said.
Maybe we should have a hardware gear where we all post our gear hehe
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Err a hardware thread
Also, I'd say Cubase is the most user friendly software for working with hardware, and it runs on both PC and Mac. It also has the most features for working with MIDI notation, as well as the most advanced audio editing functions.
The advantage of logic is the great built in plugins and built in sampler.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2011/01/12 : 18:02:05
Yes, Cubase is also excellent. We've used that since the early days of the Atari as well as on a Mac and currently on a PC (in our other studio).
However, I can't answer the question - "Can any one suggest software that is easy (I mean really strait forward) to use and will work well with hardware?"
Neither Cubase or Logic are "really straight forward".
Some others on here use FL (Fruity Loops) and say it's easy, but we know nothing about it.
Maybe they'll help.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2011/01/12 : 19:45:21
I used to use FL in my earlier days. Not good for working with audio, not great for MIDI. The main advantage is the extremely easy to use built in sampler. The built in insert plugins are awful.
Still, it's a good starting point. For a hardware user, i wouldn't recommend it...
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choonland
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Posted - 2011/01/14 : 02:59:25
I didnt read all the above responses, so probably someone already said but...
you shouldn´t be afraid of computers and technology, its really not that hard and Im guessing is by far much cheaper to buy a decent computer than spending hundreds and thousands in a bunch of hardware.
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djdave2007
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Posted - 2011/01/14 : 07:20:58
"...............far much cheaper to buy a decent computer than spending hundreds and thousands in a bunch of hardware...."
thats true CHOONLAND,but producing music the good old way with hardware etc,to me is more fun and gives you better satisfaction knowing that you have mastered it from the start to the end.Software nowadays makes it just too simple and easy to throw a track together without putting much effort into it.Dont get me wrong there is alot of bedroom dj's producing some good tunes as well as most artists using software.
Its like when someone says to me they like deejaying,then i see there setup and its a software program with 2 'decks' on the screen and mixing is done without any real effort and the touch of a button,it is a shame,to put it another way when you mixing with vinyl there is more to it for eg: keeping the mixing bpms together and you have to psychically touch it up to ensure they dont go out of sync.there is something special about mixing with vinyl,and thats why i think there is something special about hardware when making a track-its a more hands on approach.I fully respect what computers can achieve with music and i suppose its keeping up with the times.
Really depends on how you like to produce and what kind of sounds your after.As a few have said if you want hardcore beats like you hear them nowadays then software route is your best option.If you want to produce older style hardcore then hardware equipment is the route for that.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2011/01/14 : 15:06:36
No offense, but it's not any easier to produce in software
Synthesis is the exact same whether you're defining oscillators on a virus or a in v-station...
and nobody said you should stop using hardware synths or even effects, just that you should definitely use a computer as a sequencer
If anything, producing with a computer-based sequencer will be harder at first because you'll have to catch up on all the proper mixdown/EQ/compression concepts you've likely been able to avoid all this time...
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2011/01/14 : 15:21:05
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Originally posted by djdave2007:
"...............far much cheaper to buy a decent computer than spending hundreds and thousands in a bunch of hardware...."
thats true CHOONLAND,but producing music the good old way with hardware etc,to me is more fun and gives you better satisfaction knowing that you have mastered it from the start to the end.Software nowadays makes it just too simple and easy to throw a track together without putting much effort into it.Dont get me wrong there is alot of bedroom dj's producing some good tunes as well as most artists using software.
Its like when someone says to me they like deejaying,then i see there setup and its a software program with 2 'decks' on the screen and mixing is done without any real effort and the touch of a button,it is a shame,to put it another way when you mixing with vinyl there is more to it for eg: keeping the mixing bpms together and you have to psychically touch it up to ensure they dont go out of sync.there is something special about mixing with vinyl,and thats why i think there is something special about hardware when making a track-its a more hands on approach.I fully respect what computers can achieve with music and i suppose its keeping up with the times.
Really depends on how you like to produce and what kind of sounds your after.As a few have said if you want hardcore beats like you hear them nowadays then software route is your best option.If you want to produce older style hardcore then hardware equipment is the route for that.
This topic has come up a few times before and some people still don't get it.
The reason 90's hardcore sounds what it sounds like is, in part, the hardware but not because of quality but because of limitations. Example: in a Digital Audio Workstation such as Cubase or Logic there is the advantage that everytime you load a project it automatically sets everything as it was when you saved it (Eq's, levels etc.). On the other hand with analog equipment you have to manually reset every eq and fader and a few synth patches if you're using oloder synths, which makes switching between projects a pain in the bum. Another advantage of doing it digitally is that even free versions of DAWs (notably cubase LE, from personal experience) yield much more refinement potential as you get many more instances of fx like compressors than you would probably ever buy in hardware. And even then you can still incorporate any piece of external hardware by importing your tracks without any degradation of the signal! What more could you want?? Seriously.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/14 : 17:36:45
There is no question about FL being absolutely awful for audio sequencing, it's really not designed for it like Cubase is. I used to use FL in the early days too, absolutely no way i would ever go back. Not when audio is so easy not only to sequence, but to record and edit WITHIN Cubase, no audio editing software ever needed!
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
Well said.
Maybe we should have a hardware gear where we all post our gear hehe
Gearslutz!
Yes, yes we should. Gearslutz is an amazing forum too.
Speaking of which, finally after many months of having no motivation to do anything at all I'm finally back onto working on some tunes, nothing Hardcore though.
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Posted - 2011/01/14 : 21:01:47
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
There is no question about FL is absolutely awful for audio sequencing, it's really not designed for it like Cubase is. I used to use FL in the early days too, absolutely no way i would ever go back. Not when audio is so easy not only to sequence, but to record and edit WITHIN Cubase, no audio editing software ever needed!
If you haven't used it since the early days then i suggest you take a trip down memory lane.
It's much better at handling audio now - for all my vocals etc i just edit in fl, i dont need to use any other programs.
I've also recently been doing (professionally paid) post production work for audio tracks of a few video production clients (dynamic and creative effects, compression etc) and i do it all in FL without any limitations, it's great.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2011/01/14 : 21:45:59
I collaborated on an electro track on FL recently. Coming from Cubase, I can tell you that audio editing, levelling and slicing is definitely inferior.
FL has some good features and selling points but audio manipulation isn't one of them.
PS: Cubase 6 announced yesterday ;)
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Posted - 2011/01/15 : 06:39:46
We use a Mac (not a lap top) running Logic. Many will tell you that a PC is better and that you can use much simpler software. We are sure of our choice
A good condition, second hand, Mackie desk will be ideal if it has enough channels to accomodate all of your hardware.
You'll need sufficient midi leads and audio leads to link it all up and a suitable midi interface and you're away! :)
The final mixing down and mastering can be done on your computer.
Good luck
Ill look into it. Im thinking cubase might be good. So you are saying its better to get a Mac desk top as opposed to a Laptop. Why is that?
I also really like the drum sounds on my MC307. how would I sequence the sounds? would i have to sample each sound individually onto the computers software. eg kick, clap, hi hats,
I can get a hold of a mixing desk quite easily. Ive seen Mackie mixing desks at local music store. Ive got MIDI leads and audio cables already, but will have to ask them about a MIDI interface (Im presuming thats something you plug your MIDI cables into.)
I've read up about some computer stuff in the 'Guerrilla Guide to Recording & Production' it recomends the AMD or Intel What are your thoughts on these CPUs? Please let me know any other things I should look for when buying a computer? This is a massive step for me in the unknown Im going to need all the luck I can get. Cheers
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2011/01/15 : 10:40:46
A Desktop.
Why use a small keypad etc when you can use a full sized one. A decent sized monitor for the sequencing window (plus a linked second one for Editing/Mixer).
There is greater opportunity to expand it eg, adding a more advanced sound card etc should you need to, adding a second drive for backing-up your work (silly if you don't), and with all the leads connected to it will you really be moving it anyway?
Are you really planning to take it out with you.... and maybe drop it, lose it or have it stolen?
imo, a laptop is a fancy fashion item/ego massager.
You can use the drum sounds from your MC307 directly via Midi and control the levels, velocity etc etc. You can sample each drum sound but that's a huge amount of unnecessary work.
As far as what CPU. The next computer upgrade for us will be a Mac with the latest intel CPU. Why a Mac? Buy it, plug it in and it works, reliably, solid as a rock.
If you choose a Mac it might be advisable to buy it from a Professional Music store as they'll be able to supply what you'll really need, with the facility to add/upgrade etc. An ordinary store won't really have a clue.
Oh yeh, and probably the latest Cubase. As Dain-Ja has said, Logic has great plug-ins and sampler but has fallen behind recently, unless of course there's a newer version on the way....
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