Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2011/01/08 : 17:26:52
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
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Anyway the biggest difference is not this though, it is the complacency and poor effort that the convenience of an all-software setup breeds. Software sounds good when the music doesn't suffer from bad technique.
Very true.
I should also add, incompetence, this is the main one.
I would only say incompetence if it's a professional making clear mistakes when they should not be making them. I suppose in some degree that's down to complacency also but you can't blame amateur producers for incompetence, blame listeners for accepting it. But, that's just me being an arse
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
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Posted - 2011/01/08 : 17:27:09
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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I say go for it! Some of the best electronic music was made without computers and a lot of it still kicks the arse of just about everything else.
Are you suggesting that it was made with real instruments?
No I didn't say anything like that. Where did you get that idea from?
There has to be some kind of computing going on somewhere for electronic music to exist.
Deary me, where's the rolleyes emoticon..
I'm not being pedantic, there is a very clear difference. It is either one or the other lol.
Yes but I thought it was obvious he wasn't going to make the next hardcore stormer on a pair of bongos with a violin. Do you have a hard time socialising??
It's not obvious if you say 'without computers'.
I think it's pretty obvious electronic music needs computers to be made somewhere down the line. To be honest mate I think you're just splitting hairs for the sake of making an argument now.
Dain-Ja Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - 2011/01/08 : 23:17:08
I wasn't suggesting that he stop using hardware at all.
I was saying he should use a computer as a sequencer, rather than a multitrack recorder. That's so backwards, it's wild. Hasn't really been done since the 80s.
PS: many of us have hardware, but we rarely use it for convenience reasons
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Ionosphere Advanced Member
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 01:07:26
Originally we didn't use hardware back in the day but used an Amiga computer, running Octamed, which had 4 channels of 8 bit sampling only and, compared to what followed, it was crap but no-one knew any better.
Then midi became available and we used that, via the Amiga, to control the increasing amounts of wonderful hardware we bought and, essentially, a mixing desk to control the sounds from the hardware.
So, two things spring to mind regarding your question.
1. You haven't mentioned a mixing desk. You will need one.
2. Dance music must be absolutely accurate when it comes to timing and however good your sense of timing and reflexes are it won't be good enough. This is why a computer is needed.
We still use a lot of hardware, linked to the computer via midi leads but there is still 'midi delay' which requires the sounds from the hardware to be recorded as an AIFF/WAV and played by the computer as an audio file in the sequencer.
To do it the way you suggest will be an unfulfilling nightmare and a waste of your untapped potential.
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Hard2Get Advanced Member
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 01:29:42
quote:We still use a lot of hardware, linked to the computer via midi leads but there is still 'midi delay' which requires the sounds from the hardware to be recorded as an AIFF/WAV and played by the computer as an audio file in the sequencer.
Ahh the joys of delay compensation (gets the timing accurate most of the time). Either way the audio has to be recorded anyway.
Dain-Ja Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 21:08:39
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:We still use a lot of hardware, linked to the computer via midi leads but there is still 'midi delay' which requires the sounds from the hardware to be recorded as an AIFF/WAV and played by the computer as an audio file in the sequencer.
Ahh the joys of delay compensation (gets the timing accurate most of the time). Either way the audio has to be recorded anyway.
delay compensation + emagic active midi bays :)
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acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 21:13:32
Personally I find this thread pretty fascinating. I have allot of curiosity when it comes to production. Its interesting toward how it was done back in the day.
djdave2007 Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2011/01/11 : 00:35:41
think most of you guys have nailed it already with hardcore being better produced the good old way instead of the software crap that exists today.Okay its not crap and yes a bit of planning has to be put into it but theres nothing like the hands on approach,when making some techno,hardcore tance etc.
Too easily done on computers i think and it all seems to be at the touch of a button.
Get your fingers out onto the keyboard and syntheiseizers and give them a good work through!
Like everything in life it moves on with the times but as long as there are ppl out there still doing it the old ways and playing the old stuff,it will never die!
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Posted - 2011/01/11 : 07:52:02
Hey, I just want to thank everyone for their feedback, it has been quite helpful.
Does anyone know if the Inosophere Boys are on myspace or nay other sites?
I have really come to terms with how oldskool my production techniques are and I know it's a must to update my equipment in order to get my productions more precise.
The MPC 5000 I want to buy does have an inbuilt sequencer, so that's why I was thinking I'd be able to get away without using the computer software.
I'm pretty sure when Prodigy first started they did'nt use computers software. Which was a very long time ago and I'm wondering if they used an older version or something similar to the MPC 5000.
Dain-Ja Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - 2011/01/11 : 14:49:45
I'm pretty sure they used an atari with cubase as a sequencer. A drum machine sequencer is nowhere near as useable as a computer and I don't understand why you'd torture yourself like that.
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Posted - 2011/01/12 : 05:04:06
Thanks guys This is cool, Im learing lots here! Ive learnt that to produce Hardcore by today's standards computer software is a must. I was largely convinced by the mastering aspect mentioned. Mastering is very important as I seriously want to get my tunes pressed on vinyl.
The reason I wanted to go the other way was not because some sorry sod said so, but because I get so frustrated with computers It seems like trying to do something simple becomes a complicated nightmare. I didn't experience that as much using hardware plus I don't know any1 who's got the time and patience to show me the ropes. I was worried problems might get in the way of the creative process.
Can any one suggest software that is easy (I mean really strait forward) to use and will work well with hardware? INOSPHERE I saw your set up. Heard some of your tunes. Thumbs up!!!Similar style to what I wana produce. What software do you guys use?? I'll also have to look into buying a mixing desk hey. Should I get a laptop or home computer for production?
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