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Craigavon raver
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 Posted - 2010/06/13 : 21:43:22
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Darren Styles is releasing a tune from 2005 as his latest single. In 2000 anything from 1995 was classed as Old Skool so in 2010 does that mean darren Styles is releasing an 'Old Skool' tune? It sounds dated and isn't the 'most freshest and innotive' Hardcore around is it?
I don't understand this argument because you like old skool, so by that logic it should be a good thing and you should like it.
I like 90s Old Skool. Not 2000s Old Skool.
Nothing from the 2000s is old skool
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 00:13:33
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Darren Styles is releasing a tune from 2005 as his latest single. In 2000 anything from 1995 was classed as Old Skool so in 2010 does that mean darren Styles is releasing an 'Old Skool' tune? It sounds dated and isn't the 'most freshest and innotive' Hardcore around is it?
I don't understand this argument because you like old skool, so by that logic it should be a good thing and you should like it.
I like 90s Old Skool. Not 2000s Old Skool.
Nothing from the 2000s is old skool
wait another year
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 06:43:35
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Nothing from the 2000s is old skool
Well you can hardly call it the 'freshest and most upfront' sounds anymore can you. I like it how people try to cling onto the style as though we are still living in 2005 and Tony Blair is still prime minister. If the 90s Hardcore had to die out then surely the same rules must apply for 2000s Hardcore? The more people ignore the fact it is dated the worse state Hardcore seems to be lol
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 20:58:54
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
Nothing from the 2000s is old skool
Well you can hardly call it the 'freshest and most upfront' sounds anymore can you. I like it how people try to cling onto the style as though we are still living in 2005 and Tony Blair is still prime minister. If the 90s Hardcore had to die out then surely the same rules must apply for 2000s Hardcore? The more people ignore the fact it is dated the worse state Hardcore seems to be lol
Even though I wasn't into hardcore in the 1st chang over between 1999/2000, I can still tell from the amount of artists and just the sound of the music, that there was more going for a change than there is now. The reason it may be labled the "Freshest", is because the sound hasn't changed much since 2000, heck you can trace the nu skool sound back to 1998, when the trancey elements started to be more included in Hardcore, and the kick drum taken out. Hardly ANYONE is bringing in a different perspective to the "UK Hardcore" sound, not with the economy being what is. Why try to introduce new sounds when the current is selling at the moment? What I'm trying to say is, there is no new sound trying to push it's way forward like there was in 1999.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 21:20:34
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of course you're going to get more gigs playing out house, it's not as underground
So wrong, there is more underground house than underground hardcore.. do you think minimal, fidget and things like that are commercial? what people class as 'house' nowadays is just crappy commercial pop music, and they call it house because it's the trend. But damn it's wrong, House is rave music and it's underground and dirty, accept it!!
But yeah you will get more bookings as there is a bigger scene..
Oh and, it was a good decision to move onto House, it's surely one of the most interesting genres to mix imo, especially wihen doing mashups and things like that! 
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 21:39:04
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of course you're going to get more gigs playing out house, it's not as underground
So wrong, there is more underground house than underground hardcore.. do you think minimal, fidget and things like that are commercial? what people class as 'house' nowadays is just crappy commercial pop music, and they call it house because it's the trend. But damn it's wrong, House is rave music and it's underground and dirty, accept it!!
Seeing as Brian K is from the US i believe he was mostly speaking on the US scene. as far as the scene here, Electro & fidget are classified as more commercial house in the US as they are played at clubs and so-called raves that are heavily commercial house. Even Dubstep here is becoming too commercial. but that doesn't necessarily mean the quality of it is crap, just overplayed.
and i never considered Minimal to be house personally i consider that to be a different genre of EDM/electronica
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 21:54:16
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Even though I wasn't into hardcore in the 1st chang over between 1999/2000, I can still tell from the amount of artists and just the sound of the music, that there was more going for a change than there is now. The reason it may be labled the "Freshest", is because the sound hasn't changed much since 2000, heck you can trace the nu skool sound back to 1998, when the trancey elements started to be more included in Hardcore, and the kick drum taken out. Hardly ANYONE is bringing in a different perspective to the "UK Hardcore" sound, not with the economy being what is. Why try to introduce new sounds when the current is selling at the moment? What I'm trying to say is, there is no new sound trying to push it's way forward like there was in 1999.
If Hardcore is so popular now then why are people slagging it off and going back to the 90s for good tunes?
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 21:55:56
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I like it how people try to cling onto the style as though we are still living in 2005 and Tony Blair is still prime minister.
But that's exactly what your doing with 90's Hardcore, to a really high degree, lol.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 21:58:39
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
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Originally posted by Brian K:
of course you're going to get more gigs playing out house, it's not as underground
So wrong, there is more underground house than underground hardcore.. do you think minimal, fidget and things like that are commercial? what people class as 'house' nowadays is just crappy commercial pop music, and they call it house because it's the trend. But damn it's wrong, House is rave music and it's underground and dirty, accept it!!
But yeah you will get more bookings as there is a bigger scene..
Oh and, it was a good decision to move onto House, it's surely one of the most interesting genres to mix imo, especially wihen doing mashups and things like that!
Brian K is definitely right. Those sub genres you meant are hugely popular, not that that's why he's right, but he is still right. He's been into this stuff as long as you've been alive, he knows what he is talking about lol.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 22:09:25
Popular doesn't mean commercial, minimal is underground music and there's billions of tons of it compared to hardcore. No matter if it's overplayed or not, underground clubs are full over here (and same applies to all countries form central/easter-europe).
But of course there's also billions of tons of commercial house, much more than commercial hardcore..
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 22:11:47
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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I like it how people try to cling onto the style as though we are still living in 2005 and Tony Blair is still prime minister.
But that's exactly what your doing with 90's Hardcore, to a really high degree, lol.
But the stuff I listen to is real Hardcore. The 2000s stuff they cling onto was a shiort lived phaze of commercial sucess that has now died out.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 22:24:35
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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I like it how people try to cling onto the style as though we are still living in 2005 and Tony Blair is still prime minister.
But that's exactly what your doing with 90's Hardcore, to a really high degree, lol.
But the stuff I listen to is real Hardcore. The 2000s stuff they cling onto was a shiort lived phaze of commercial sucess that has now died out.
if by died out you mean it is no longer existing, then you are wrong
if by died out you mean no longer popular, you're still wrong.
anyone can say the same thing about the 90s hardcore what you say about the 00s hardcore. doesn't make it less or more true, still shows that you are no different than them, dwelling into the past.
and yes Brian K definitely knows what he's talking about.
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 22:31:37
How come we don't get any more compilations then? 2010 is the same as 2000 really. There where compilations that year but not like 95. In 2010 we aint getting as much as 05.
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 22:44:48
The same reason you see far less compilatons in all genres; retail is very different to 5 years ago let alone 15. Now you have ONE high street venor, which biases strongly towards "chart" products, and the supermarkets which do the same to an even greater degree.
I remember Hardcore Reunited getting racking across about 4 high street vendors, with precisely zero racking or TV advertising budget.
Doing the same in that single one now requires you to commit tens of thousands of pounds in advertising alone. If you think this has anything whatsoever to do with the music then guess again, it's just a sign of a genre independent shift which is happening all over the world.
Still, going by your logic, everything UK Hardcore in the 90s sold less well than a bunch of 2000+ albums and therefore it must have been stillborn 
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Posted - 2010/06/14 : 22:49:24
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The same reason you see far less compilatons in all genres; retail is very different to 5 years ago let alone 15. Now you have ONE high street venor, which biases strongly towards "chart" products, and the supermarkets which do the same to an even greater degree.
I remember Hardcore Reunited getting racking across about 4 high street vendors, with precisely zero racking or TV advertising budget.
Doing the same in that single one now requires you to commit tens of thousands of pounds in advertising alone. If you think this has anything whatsoever to do with the music then guess again, it's just a sign of a genre independent shift which is happening all over the world.
Still, going by your logic, everything UK Hardcore in the 90s sold less well than a bunch of 2000+ albums and therefore it must have been stillborn
CDJay
to add to this, majority of the compilations are coming out in digital format rather than cd compilations. and you don't see any advertising or press releases for these albums coming out because you can utilize free advertising and publicity through social media such as facebook, twitter and myspace. that's how i learn about most of the upcoming compilation albums, from artists themselves, the labels and the mp3 stores. so yes there are still compilations being released, you just have to know where to look
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