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Dain-Ja
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 Posted - 2009/08/11 : 13:13:04
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Originally posted by CiALiN:
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Originally posted by bandofmould:
it's simply about song writing. why shouldn't hardcore producers write hardcore as you would any other form of music? they should! you can say that the 2-3 min track keeps the crowds attention, far enough. but what the point when most of the tracks sound exactly the same. least some of theolderhardcoe traks too you on least som musica journey.
hardcore music is just a business now. have a vocal. have that crappy weird flange horn thing. have more or less the same melody = money!
maybe you should take your finger out yer arse an listen to some freeform...
or listen to more than one record label
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CiALiN
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 13:14:15
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by CiALiN:
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Originally posted by bandofmould:
it's simply about song writing. why shouldn't hardcore producers write hardcore as you would any other form of music? they should! you can say that the 2-3 min track keeps the crowds attention, far enough. but what the point when most of the tracks sound exactly the same. least some of theolderhardcoe traks too you on least som musica journey.
hardcore music is just a business now. have a vocal. have that crappy weird flange horn thing. have more or less the same melody = money!
maybe you should take your finger out yer arse an listen to some freeform...
or listen to more than one record label
another good sugestion :D
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 13:16:37
..wait..they still make freeform??? ;)
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 14:26:48
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Originally posted by bandofmould:
it's simply about song writing. why shouldn't hardcore producers write hardcore as you would any other form of music? they should! you can say that the 2-3 min track keeps the crowds attention, far enough. but what the point when most of the tracks sound exactly the same. least some of theolderhardcoe traks too you on least som musica journey.
hardcore music is just a business now. have a vocal. have that crappy weird flange horn thing. have more or less the same melody = money!
What the hell's a flange horn? Some sort of sex toy?
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 16:15:12
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Originally posted by bandofmould:
it's simply about song writing. why shouldn't hardcore producers write hardcore as you would any other form of music? they should! you can say that the 2-3 min track keeps the crowds attention, far enough. but what the point when most of the tracks sound exactly the same. least some of theolderhardcoe traks too you on least som musica journey.
hardcore music is just a business now. have a vocal. have that crappy weird flange horn thing. have more or less the same melody = money!
No dude, dance tracks should not be originally made 2-3 min long(That's what radio edits are for). The dj needs something to mix into/out of. When you add the pitch, you're not going to have much of a song because it would be over right when it started. I like the 5-7 min. deal myself. I like to hear the intro and outro of tracks (if they're creative).
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CiALiN
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 16:19:00
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by bandofmould:
it's simply about song writing. why shouldn't hardcore producers write hardcore as you would any other form of music? they should! you can say that the 2-3 min track keeps the crowds attention, far enough. but what the point when most of the tracks sound exactly the same. least some of theolderhardcoe traks too you on least som musica journey.
hardcore music is just a business now. have a vocal. have that crappy weird flange horn thing. have more or less the same melody = money!
What the hell's a flange horn? Some sort of sex toy?
i lold haha...i think he means the german trumpet kinda sound
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 16:58:46
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Originally posted by CiALiN:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by bandofmould:
it's simply about song writing. why shouldn't hardcore producers write hardcore as you would any other form of music? they should! you can say that the 2-3 min track keeps the crowds attention, far enough. but what the point when most of the tracks sound exactly the same. least some of theolderhardcoe traks too you on least som musica journey.
hardcore music is just a business now. have a vocal. have that crappy weird flange horn thing. have more or less the same melody = money!
What the hell's a flange horn? Some sort of sex toy?
i lold haha...i think he means the german trumpet kinda sound
German trumpet? Even instruments have nationalitites and races now? What next a Buddha Banjo?
Seriously though what the hell are all these weird names people keep throwing out lol
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Fishy
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 17:15:51
a horn with a flanger, doesent sound to wierd to me
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 18:04:04
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Originally posted by Fishy:
a horn with a flanger, doesent sound to wierd to me
I understand what a Horn is, and i know what a Flanger is, but....
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Originally posted by bandofmould:have a vocal. have that crappy weird flange horn thing. have more or less the same melody = money!
"Weird flange horn THING"
Doesn't sound to me like he knows what it is he's actually reffering to, certainly doesn't sound like he's saying there's a horn witha flanger on it in Darren Styles latest tune. So i'm wondering what exactly he means by "flange horn", because i can't recall any new Hardcore tunes using a "flanged" brass instrument, never mind every track as he's putting it. Just trying to understand what it is he means.
Also i love the word Flanged
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 18:14:55
flange horns are illegal in this country, besides the shear amount of lube they require is stupid - and of course it takes a special type of lady..
..(or VERY special man)
not to mention the noise...fill your mouth with raw eggs (de-shelled), tilt your head backwards then gurgle and splurt all the of liquid as slowly as you can whilst making "arrrghhhh" type noises in your throat....as you come to the end of the liquid make sure your lips are loose and really ...really trying and splutter and vibrate them as the last of the egg and water drips down your face
this is quite akin to how flange horns sound, and of course, much the same resulting effects
(though without the electricty and the badgers)
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 20:52:24
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
flange horns are illegal in this country, besides the shear amount of lube they require is stupid - and of course it takes a special type of lady..
..(or VERY special man)
not to mention the noise...fill your mouth with raw eggs (de-shelled), tilt your head backwards then gurgle and splurt all the of liquid as slowly as you can whilst making "arrrghhhh" type noises in your throat....as you come to the end of the liquid make sure your lips are loose and really ...really trying and splutter and vibrate them as the last of the egg and water drips down your face
this is quite akin to how flange horns sound, and of course, much the same resulting effects
(though without the electricty and the badgers)
Lmao!
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bandofmould
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Posted - 2009/08/11 : 21:10:58
yes. very good
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/08/12 : 07:52:47
As some of you will know by now I've been around since the very start in the late 80's, early 90's and agree that music used to have a lot more thought about it, and a lot more effort put into it. Just think of the complicated drum patterns compared to the 'techno' beat of today, and that's just one element. As already mentioned, the mid section was as important as the breakdown. I will always appreciate and respect the older stuff more because of this. Having said that, just because tunes aren't so complicated these days doesn't mean they're not still good, and times change as do what people require from tracks.
I believe though that the less complicated a track is the more mainstream it is/gains a wider appreciation. It's true that the large proportion of society relate to music that is fairly basic with a simple hook as is easy for their brain to analyse and apreciate. The more complicated you make a track, the narrower the audience. This is not a dig, or being derogatory, just the way it is IMO. At the end of the day there are no rights and wrongs in music, just different taste, which is what makes life interesting :-)
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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2009/08/28 : 12:06:29
Back in 2003/2004 when the hardcore style was becoming more trance influenced from the likes of Breeze & Styles I remember there was outroar and lots of criticism from people on various music boards like this saying that this style will never catch on and never last and that it was crap but compare that to what's around now! The style from 2003-2006 was so much better than now. I'm really surprised the current sound is not getting slated from many people on boards.
It seems to me that hardcore is becoming alot more commercial sounding than ever before and trying to appeal to the fans of other dance genres like hard dance and the mainstream sound. There's many songs that are sounding very hard dance-like and having less breakdowns.
Perhaps things have changed because the more underground sound of the mid 2000s was not selling well and not increasing in popularity. But why compromise the standard of the music by making it more mainstream sounding?
In saying this though, there are still many great tunes around that are not following this route but are becoming harder to find. On a positive note, really like what many of the artists are doing on the Crush On Hardcore 4 album.
It's not that I know the ins and outs of the scene but it seems to me that freeform is not doing so well which I can't understand why not. Despite hearing limited tunes this year, I haven't seen many releases from some of the bigger names in the freeform scene and some artists are producing less and have moved on to the mainstream side.
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/08/28 : 13:00:49
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
flange horns are illegal in this country, besides the shear amount of lube they require is stupid - and of course it takes a special type of lady..
..(or VERY special man)
not to mention the noise...fill your mouth with raw eggs (de-shelled), tilt your head backwards then gurgle and splurt all the of liquid as slowly as you can whilst making "arrrghhhh" type noises in your throat....as you come to the end of the liquid make sure your lips are loose and really ...really trying and splutter and vibrate them as the last of the egg and water drips down your face
this is quite akin to how flange horns sound, and of course, much the same resulting effects
(though without the electricty and the badgers)
Ok!!!!!!!!!! And what chemicals have you been taking? ;-)
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