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warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
3,985 posts Joined: Jan, 2004
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 01:43:28
Has anyone else noticed how many tracks today seem to lack anything in the middle, it's just a repeat of the intro? Take the 90s, you always had some cheesy, jolly, hyper, dark, etc. riff cut through the track and then the vocals or main sound of the track would cut back on.
Orbit1 Senior Member
Australia
400 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 02:47:34
Because people want to bash out a tune and play more tunes in a set....
There are tunes that don't even have a 2nd section and go for about 3 minutes (Girlz Girlz Girlz being one of them)
I've been thinking recently that this is a bad thing and perhaps people are getting lazier and not caring about what they write any more.
In fact, I'm going back to writing in the style of the mid-90's (in terms of feel, not sound! Eww cheese!) but I don't think that many people will be doing this any more. You can't cram 27 songs into a 75minute mix if they all go on for 5-6 minutes.
Rayovac Advanced Member
United States
2,049 posts Joined: Jan, 2008
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 02:53:57
quote:Originally posted by Orbit1:
I've been thinking recently that this is a bad thing and perhaps people are getting lazier and not caring about what they write any more.
Same here Orbit1. Don't shun the breakdown!
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warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 04:16:45
I dunno, that's always my favorite part of Happy Hardcore music, the explosive middle section where some jolly, insane riff cuts through.
This is what I am talking about, starting at 2:22
And here, at 2:35
Well, you get what I am talking about. You dont hear that much in today's Happy Hardcore, just a repetive beat segment.
Alert moderatorEdited by - warped_candykid on 2009/08/07 04:39:44
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 04:47:43
What orbit1 said is true, most DJ's will only play the first breakdown and mixout before the second one (if there is even a second one)... IF the tune is new or a major hands in the air anthem the DJ might play the second breakdown but normally the older the tune the quicker the mix out...
More tunes with middle bits would be cool, but it might be almost too long these days crowds get bored quick and want change change change :)
frozt Senior Member
United States
372 posts Joined: May, 2009
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 06:23:02
Whenever I listen to Clubland X-treme / True Hardcore / Crush On Hardcore. it seems like the track goes by so quick and I don't get to know the track.
Orbit1 Senior Member
Australia
400 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 06:45:19
quote:Originally posted by silver:
More tunes with middle bits would be cool, but it might be almost too long these days crowds get bored quick and want change change change :)
Makes me wonder how slower genres with less going on manage to keep the crowds attention for the full length of the track?
Having said that, gabber seems to do a good job of keeping entertained for a while.
Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 11:33:51
quote:Originally posted by silver:
most DJ's will only play the first breakdown and mixout before the second one (if there is even a second one)... IF the tune is new or a major hands in the air anthem the DJ might play the second breakdown but normally the older the tune the quicker the mix out...
More tunes with middle bits would be cool, but it might be almost too long these days crowds get bored quick and want change change change :)
And that's sad if you ask me, what's the point of making a full track if DJ's are only willing to play 2 minutes of it? You could probably get by on samples from Juno they way it's going now.
I'm a traditionalist and believe that a track should be played in it's entirety and have breakdowns and bridges etc. Just because it's hardcore doesn't mean we have to only write and mix a third of a song. I blame compilation albums like Bonkers & CLXH and the way they're mixed - they have been the death of proper mixing and ushered in the era of the Youtube mix.
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redwingz Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,483 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 12:30:23
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
quote:Originally posted by silver:
most DJ's will only play the first breakdown and mixout before the second one (if there is even a second one)... IF the tune is new or a major hands in the air anthem the DJ might play the second breakdown but normally the older the tune the quicker the mix out...
More tunes with middle bits would be cool, but it might be almost too long these days crowds get bored quick and want change change change :)
And that's sad if you ask me, what's the point of making a full track if DJ's are only willing to play 2 minutes of it? You could probably get by on samples from Juno they way it's going now.
Exactly.
Perhaps the reason most tracks these days are just boring and repetitive, cause they know only 2-3 mins will be played.
'Music of the Primes' springs to mind as a track with an epic breakdown and buildup that will never get boring and should always be played in its entirety
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 13:22:36
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
I blame compilation albums like Bonkers & CLXH and the way they're mixed - they have been the death of proper mixing and ushered in the era of the Youtube mix.
I'm not sure about that. Every track on CXH has both breakdowns and plays the whole way through.
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,637 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 13:58:12
call me a nerd but ive always found length of song from different era's and genres interesting
im sure i remember at one point thinking "im sure songs used to be longer"
alot of trance ..older trance gets up round the 11min mark...some even to 13mins (sasha and maria naylor - be as one" springs to mind...but then of course thats the original, the radio edit is like 4mins...
i was chatting with rayovac last night actually about how songs tend to be built these days, what with the whole DJ friendly business
maybe people should stop making "DJ friendly tracks" and just make a song for what it is
Citrick Average Member
Ireland
234 posts Joined: Jan, 2009
Posted - 2009/08/07 : 14:15:33
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
I blame compilation albums like Bonkers & CLXH and the way they're mixed - they have been the death of proper mixing and ushered in the era of the Youtube mix.
I like YouTube mixes.
I'm kinda torn on this really. In a way I like the quick mixes but a bit of variety wouldn't hurt like. I usually prefer the second build up too. But it really keeps the energy going with the quick mixing I think.
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Posted - 2009/08/07 : 01:43:28
In my opinion, who cares if a track has to be "DJ friendly" or not anwyay?
