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gobbo23
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 Posted - 2005/02/14 : 12:32:56
vinyl will not die out.. because... cd's will not pick up as of piracy, labels will not release cd's because they will get pirated so they will continue to release vinyl.
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steve O
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 12:51:16
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Originally posted by swansea247:
'touching the music'
Well said.
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dj_sidewinder
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 14:31:55
I own vinyl decks my m8s own cd decks and i still say the vinyl decks are better.There is no effort in mixing on cd decks it basically does it for you.Where as with vinyl you have to work at it.Thats what i enjoy the pressure of getting every mix spot on.For me vinyl may fade out if more and more people start buying cd decks.There is way to stop this though and this would be for companies to bring out starter kit vinyl decks at a low price,So that the new djs who are starting out can afford a set to get started on.I mean you can buy a set of cd decks for 100 pound in some places and that is probably why most people are getting them.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 15:09:50
^^^ Agreed, but i think what hurts the most is the cost to buy vinyl compared to cd's which you can buy or even make for virtually nothing these days.
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joltzy
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 16:15:43
I think the Numark cdx is the best for mixing cds.
http://www.zzounds.com/item--NUMCDX
I will never stop playing vinyl, I like to collect vinyl like I did comics, and I think alot of other people do as well.
So i dont think vinyl will die out anytime soon, if you look at it like a hobby. 
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tunnelrush
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 16:34:01
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Originally posted by Mortis:
All of the skill will be taken out of dj-ing and it'll water the effect down, if it hasn't already.
Not to knock what you said, becuase I have MAD respect for anyone who DJ's with Vinyl. But....When i saw Hixxy and Scott Brown atta rave not too long ago. They used Pioneers and i think they still rocked the F*ck outta the place regardless of what they used. I dont see how 'skill' gets removed once a CD gets play instead of vinyl.
Don't think Im tryin to justify that CD dex are better than Vinyl...Theres no need for argument there.
And Brian...its none of your business WHAT i do with my P.Diddy CD! :P
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Flyin
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 17:07:58
Heh, this has been an ongoing discussion for many years now.
I personally only play off CDs, the beauty in that is that I can burn a CD of a new track I have only just finished that afternoon and play it out to see how it goes down.
Long gone are the days of me cutting dubs for £25 a pop!
I am lucky enough to receive cdrs off many artists and labels and therefore have no need to even consider purchasing vinyl, I only have 1 1210 anyways.
Vinyl, I believe will continue, however, small independant labels are finding it hard nowadays to warrant the costs of pressing 1000 units which will be at a loss 99% of the time.
It is a sad day for hardcore in some ways, the scene, in all it's forms has been centralised around vinyl.
The future of hardcore DJs, artists breaking through, to play upfront you need to be upfront, at one with the technology. Embrace CDJs.
They are the industry standard at the moment, like it or not :D
Vinyl is nice though, I do like to see the finished product with ya name on it :D
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Mortis
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 17:25:18
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Originally posted by tunnelrush:
quote:
Originally posted by Mortis:
All of the skill will be taken out of dj-ing and it'll water the effect down, if it hasn't already.
I dont see how 'skill' gets removed once a CD gets play instead of vinyl.
What i ment was people using auto bpm's and cue's and calling & themselves dj's, when really all they're doing is putting on a cd and pressing a button. Same thing goes for software aswell.
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Andrew184
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 17:34:58
quote:
Originally posted by Mortis:
What i ment was people using auto bpm's and cue's and calling & themselves dj's, when really all they're doing is putting on a cd and pressing a button.
Cheaters! 
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SixFeet
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 17:55:13
vinyl will one day be replaced whether you like it or not, it is called progression but i won't happen over night, every takes a while to burn out, vinyl will be around for a few decades yet but within 50 years i think it will be considered an antique, majority of society is lazy nowadays, you see people waiting for 20minutes in a drive-thru queue instead of just parking up and walking into the store which will take a couple of minutes that is why cd decks are increasing aswell as them being cheaper, i have been on both vinyl and cd decks and personally i prefered vinyl but then again i like to work for my accomplishments
in response to your post silver, it is true piracy hurts hardcore, it hurts all small music genres that have small break even points as the people managing them have barely no money to start with so success is a must other wise it is pretty much game over but with the big companies coming in now sales will really increase but piracy will also, personally i don't know how many people buy clubland albums, maybe 300k in england, probably like 10-15% will be put off and to narrow minded to buy a hardcore album so it will probably be like 50% of the people buying the album will not have heard any/very little hardcore, with say 10% of them maybe really enjoying and wanting more, sales will increase in cd's vinyl etc but piracy will increase aswell
people said hardcore was dead like 7 years ago and look how much it has come back in now, it is more popular now than ever, tv adverts for hardcore where unheard of a few years ago
i think i kinda went off point of the topic there, well vinyl will one day be out dated, nothing ever always stays in fashion (and i am not on about fashions over the period of a few years, i am over generations)
anyways my rant over
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 19:03:07
Vinyl is already dying. Sales drop every few months, all across all the scene's. People thought the CD would kill vinyl, but it didn't because of dance music and the Dj. You just couldn't manipulate the CD like you could a record. Early CDJ's were crap...but the release of the Pionerr CDJ1000 was the death knell for vinyl, because it can and does do everything a record can, and on top of that it can do a whole lot more. Why pay for a 12" when you can download it for free, burn a CD and play it out...There are all sorts of legal issues there, but I prefer to deal with what is, not what should be.
I am sorry to see vinyl's demise, but the old saying goes "when the wind of change blows, built a windmill not a windbreak".
The real question is how will the labels survive? Everyone I know is suffering...in tyhe last year or so Telstar (one of the largest and thought to be strongest labels) went under, D'n'B sales are the lowest they have been in ages, React crashed, Distributors such as Alpha Magic are going under, and major labels are merging and dropping acts...from a business point of view, the music scene is basically Fked.
However, people with imagination always find a way...
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KinokoBoy
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 19:16:42
How can smaller record labels keep making money in this day in age??
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SixFeet
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Posted - 2005/02/14 : 20:29:39
cos alot of people who love the uncommericialised smaller genres like hardcore are quite loyal and realise if they go out and download all the stuff then they will basically end the whole scene, they should really create all cd's now so they cannot be copied or the files extracted from the cd. cracking down on illegal music downloading and distributing won't work, it has taken them far too long for to take any action and people won't change there ways now
i can't see hardcore dying out anyways, well not any time soon
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CDJay
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 08:39:29
Once again, Luna-C speaks absolute sense.
Some pretty skewed/ill-informed/wrong statements in this thread. People who are saying "vinyl will never die are":
- obviously wrong. "never"? Are you F**in kidding me? Yes, I'm sure in the year 3000 there'll still be vinyl-based DJs. *coughs*
- wrong even in the short term. Unless you want to flaunt semantics... I'm sure there'll be the odd high profile release, but we're ALREADY seeing a shift as smaller labels invariably fail to break even on vinyl releases. A large percentage of them will likely stop or massively scale back releases on vinyl and in the near future.
As for using tape-packs as an example of why vinyl will never die.... why do you think they are still tape-packs? Could it be because they are somewhat legally dubious, and any promoter who does CD packs is risking legal assault/death? Oh, and if you're choosing VHS over DVD I'd just loooove to hear a semi-sane reason.
It's plausible that we'll see some more unmixed CDs in the near future, I know HMV/Virgin et al are quite keen to see unmixed tracks included on high-profile hardcore compilations, and as noted elsewhere in this thread.. they have the ability to shift enough units to offset piracy for the most part.
Ultimately I think it's fairly clear that online sales will be the future of hardcore, but I think it's also equally clear that the transition is going to be difficult at best.
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Flyin
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 08:50:21
Just to reply to a few points that have been made, mixing on CDJs is no easier than mixing off vinyl!
The same beat matching skills are needed. I certainly don't have BPM counters on my CDJs (not that they are any good anyways!)
Don't be fooled into thinking the technology does the work for you.
Besides, can the CDJ choose the next tune to drop, no?
The artform of being a DJ is still down to you to develop.
My only reason for choosing to play entirely off CDJs is to play my own fresh material and other producers fothcoming material.
To be upfront nowadays you have to embrace the technology!
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