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marchhare
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 Posted - 2005/02/15 : 09:33:13
The only good thing really about cdjs(mp3 laptopdjs) is when you cant find a really good tune on vinyl and you have it on cd.but thats about it.
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Flyin
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 10:05:19
Erm, what about the vast improvement in quality over vinyl?
Think there are some blinkered people out there, I ain't gonna push, at the end of the day each to their own :D
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Andrew184
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 13:13:20
I always thought that on CD decks after you got a beatmatch, you pressed sync or something and that kept the two tunes in time automatically???
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Charco
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 14:33:20
I think the future of vinyl in the DJing is still pretty strong...I've seen CD decks being used at clubs many times....but there are always the turntables being used too...
And when you think of all the DJ's who have spent so many thousands on their record collection....I can't see them scraping them to start mixing CD's.
I don't think that it should matter if the DJ uses CD's or vinyl though....Or if CD mixing is "easier"....As long as the tunes are spot on and the mixing is good...then everyone should be happy. 
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djtommyrenegade
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 14:46:16
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Originally posted by Brian K:
I really don't see dmc championships having cdj's at them.
scratch perverts use cdj1000's
:) lol
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Dave Tee
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 15:51:32
At the minute i only have vinyl dex, but i want to get cd dex as well, not to replace vinyl but to use a combination of both.
I love the feel of vinyl when i'm mixing, but to play my own songs and other unreleased stuff i'll have to use cd's.
People who say its easy to mix on cd, its not beatmatching that makes a dj.
There's more to mixing than beatmatching,
and theres more to being a dj than mixin.
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steve O
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 16:26:15
'Anyone can beatmatch, only a few can be DJ's'
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slavetomysoundwave
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 16:29:05
I can see CDs taking over eventually - the big DJs are more about the tunes they play, not about how they play them. CDs are easier to use, easier to move around the place (ever tried carrying a box full of records around!), generally easier to work with and let DJs play tunes that haven't been pressed. It makes sense if you think about it.
I hate the thought tho - vinyl is cool and CDs are...well...plasticy. You can't scratch properly with CDs as well - CD decks mimic scratching. I'm not too up on the subject, but even if a CD deck can produce a scratch effect, its still an effect and definately not the real thing.
Its a shame - I'm sure dance music on vinyl will eventually dissapear :( (hip-hops a different story tho!) Vinyl is cool but not practical - CDs are practical but not cool.
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SixFeet
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 16:57:13
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Originally posted by mustapha:
And when you think of all the DJ's who have spent so many thousands on their record collection....I can't see them scraping them to start mixing CD's.
but the new DJ's starting up will be using mainly CDJ's so after the latest generation of DJ's on vinyl have gone the majority to replace them will be using CD's not vinyl
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Indy Tentman
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Posted - 2005/02/15 : 17:25:58
i forsee more DJs with CDs. the bad boy Justrich spins CDs and he's funtastic to dance 2!
The sound is BETTER for his sets then ANYONE elses and I can't get enough!!! But, he plays BANGIN RUFF beats not happy hardcore, and he's a producer.
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Leelo1
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Posted - 2005/02/16 : 19:42:28
keep the vinal theres moe ..................
skill involved an its fun doin ure missions to collect the plastic !!
be who u wanna b ......
drink wot u wanna drink....
smoke wot ya wanna smoke....
Sall fun!!!!
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Underloop
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Posted - 2005/02/16 : 22:05:55
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
"when the wind of change blows, built a windmill not a windbreak".
too true!
I personally LOVE vinyl. The buzz I get when I come home with a new stack of black plastic, put theneedle on the first record and get that lovely crackle coming back at me through the speakers.
As Luna C pointed out though, vinyl sales are dropping. As a result labels are pressing up less copies. Thisin turn affects the pressing plants, they end up having to raise prices, these prices get passed on to us the consumer, which in turn leads to a few more DJs turning to the dark side, less vinyl sales for the labels etc etc.... like a viscious circle spiralling inwards, the outcome is unfortunately inevitable.
However, instead of crying into our pints why not do something about it. Theres so many misinformed comments on here about CDJs its unbelievable. The best example being:
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I always thought that on CD decks after you got a beatmatch, you pressed sync or something and that kept the two tunes in time automatically???
Sure, there are *some* CDJs that allow this, and also mp3 DJ software too but generally no. Only major difference I have found has been that instead of touching the vinyl and platter to manipulate the record I'm pressing buttons and twiddling knobs and jog wheels. Not as much fun as vinyl admittedly, but still no easier.... in fact I find vinyl easier. The whole scratch thing too is balls. Yes admittedly its not the same sound as an analogue scratch, but thats like saying that people who use a sampled real life instrument in a song are bad because they decided not to hire an orchestra to record live. I've seen some fantrastic stuff being done with CDJs in videos all over the net.
So as much as I hate to say it, vinyl's days are doomed, its time to embrace the present day and make the most of it. Some of us might not like it, but if we don't move with the times we end up becoming extinct dinosaurs
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2005/02/23 : 21:21:29
Someone asked what the improvement was on CDJ's over vinyl? There's a few things...
firstly, the cdj1000 can do everything a vinyl deck does - you can change the pitch, spin the cd back and forth so you can cue, and scratch like you would with a vinyl deck. It also has an adjustable stop, so you can go "djiw" or "dddddjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiwwwwwww" (technological terms there) but what I mean is, it has the same ability as a start/stop on a technics, and can also be adjusted to do a "turn off the button" on a technics...however, on a CDJ you can now do a start that starts real slow and works its way up to playing speed. Other bonuses:-
the needle doesn't skip, even if you do a really heavy scratch or rewind, because there isn't one.
the scratching sounds 100% accurate - not digial like someone said. I would struggle to tell the difference if blindfolded, given the same scratch on both decks. In fact, I am fairly sure I couldn't.
Tou can loop any part of the track, and set trigger points, so that you can pretty much remix the track as it goes along.
The pitch is adjustable, so you can move +/-24% (I think - I cant remember the exact number, lol). You can also freeze the track so that when you adjust the pitch, the tune remains in key. This is not a perfected thing yet - move to much and the sound goes funny. But give it a year or two, and that will be working fine.
You can save settings to a souncard.
Its lightwieght, and so you can take it anywhere you like, plug in and play.
It lights up so you can see everything that happens even in a dark club.
Very easy to use. Instinctive, you know?
Theres other things, like the digital display etc etc, which are all good.
It does have some bad points, though. It doesn't feel nice to mix on. I have been using one for a couple of years now, and there is still no "feel" for what I am doing. You know how you can almost sense a records movement and stuff? I never get that with a CDJ. Could just be me, mind. But it feels like the connection I have with vinyl just doesn't exist with a CDJ.
It 100% doesn't match beats for you, and as for the bpm counter hahahahahahahahahahahahahah. I have had various mixers and turntables with beatcounters over the years, and the one thing they have in common? Every record you play through them is 83bpm. Without fail. Personally, I think they aren't beatcounters at all - they are just a little 83bpm display light.
I absolutely love vinyl, I prefer to play on vinyl, I make a living from selling vinyl, I have a ridiculous record collection that I love and that will soon be obsolete...but no matter how much you love a thing, eventually change comes. And like I said before, CDJ's are killing, and will kill vinyl. That being the case, its wise to think about what is coming, not what has been. At least, it is for me!
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Mortis
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Posted - 2005/02/23 : 22:31:56
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
Personally, I think they aren't beatcounters at all - they are just a little 83bpm display light.
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
CDJ's are killing, and will kill vinyl. That being the case, its wise to think about what is coming, not what has been. At least, it is for me!
Well said m8.
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clarke101
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Posted - 2005/02/23 : 23:27:33
quote:
Originally posted by Luna-C:
Someone asked what the improvement was on CDJ's over vinyl? There's a few things...
firstly, the cdj1000 can do everything a vinyl deck does - you can change the pitch, spin the cd back and forth so you can cue, and scratch like you would with a vinyl deck. It also has an adjustable stop, so you can go "djiw" or "dddddjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiwwwwwww" (technological terms there) but what I mean is, it has the same ability as a start/stop on a technics, and can also be adjusted to do a "turn off the button" on a technics...however, on a CDJ you can now do a start that starts real slow and works its way up to playing speed. Other bonuses:-
the needle doesn't skip, even if you do a really heavy scratch or rewind, because there isn't one.
the scratching sounds 100% accurate - not digial like someone said. I would struggle to tell the difference if blindfolded, given the same scratch on both decks. In fact, I am fairly sure I couldn't.
Tou can loop any part of the track, and set trigger points, so that you can pretty much remix the track as it goes along.
The pitch is adjustable, so you can move +/-24% (I think - I cant remember the exact number, lol). You can also freeze the track so that when you adjust the pitch, the tune remains in key. This is not a perfected thing yet - move to much and the sound goes funny. But give it a year or two, and that will be working fine.
You can save settings to a souncard.
Its lightwieght, and so you can take it anywhere you like, plug in and play.
It lights up so you can see everything that happens even in a dark club.
Very easy to use. Instinctive, you know?
Theres other things, like the digital display etc etc, which are all good.
And with out it we wouldn't have I run these streets
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