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pyro tek
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 Posted - 2003/07/22 : 03:07:06
ok . i made a song wich uses the ts404 for the main melody in fruity version 3.4 and after i upgraded it didt play the same.. i read up on it and the 2 versions of the synth r not compatible.. which is a bitch coz its a good riff. and i dont wqant to keep on using the older version of fruity to work on the song. so im wondering can i some how use the ts404 from verision 3.4 as a sort of vst plugin in newer versions.. say fruityloop studio?
muchos grasias
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Nemesis
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Posted - 2003/07/22 : 10:44:37
Couldn't you just reprogram the riff in version 4 (which i presume you are using) wouldn't take that long.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2003/07/22 : 13:51:49
Or, you could go to the piano roll options, and save the riff as a score (I can't remember exactly how to do it, as i have never done it before, i noticed it while browsing the help file a while ago :P), that *should* work :)
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pyro tek
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Posted - 2003/07/22 : 19:12:46
perhaps.. havent tryed that .. piano roll thing,. i have tryed reprograming it again.. withought suxess. the riff is has cut filter aouytomated not by main aoutomation windo.. but by the sequencerinbuilt one.. which handles compleatly differently beween the tow versions,.
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Posted - 2003/07/27 : 20:54:11
the best and only sane advise i can give you about using fruityloops is honestly taking the disc out of your box and putting it in the microwave for 30 secs. it is an insult of a program only to be used by the deaf and carnival folk..
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/07/29 : 22:48:15
Shut up man, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Fruity Loops (especially FLStudio) can produce at the same quality as Reason.
Plus it has Vsti support so then you can get the sounds of your Vstation or your junglist.
Thats a big achievement, specially when its half the cost.
You find crappy tracks written with any program from Orion to Cubase. Thats not the programs fault, thats the users fault.
pyro tek: you can save the preset for the TS404 and/or then open both 3.4 and whatever version you are using.
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silver
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Posted - 2003/07/30 : 01:34:56
I'm sorry... I'm yet to be hear a track in Fruity Loops (any version, any samples) that sounds better than Reason.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/07/30 : 16:32:12
Is that a challenge?
Hehehe 
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Posted - 2003/07/31 : 16:36:05
do you honestly think fruity loops is even in the same universe quality wize or ANY other aspect as reason or reason 2 ...sorry you must be jaded unless you can give me good reason to think i dont know how much larger and more complex and user friendly reason is
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/07/31 : 20:01:40
Check the websites for both.
Both give you the same output: 24bit/96kHz.
Personally I have used and will continue to use both. FruityLoops is way more User Friendly, but yes, the builtin synths for Reason rip the pants off Fruity's 3osc and TS404.
Call me jaded, I don't care, but the facts are there, both output at: 24bit/96kHz.
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silver
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Posted - 2003/07/31 : 20:46:47
Output rates does not mean anything if the internal mixing and sound reproduction engines suck ass.... Any peice of software could output 24bit/96kHz of crap production if it wanted to.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2003/08/01 : 09:11:27
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Output rates does not mean anything if the internal mixing and sound reproduction engines suck ass.... Any peice of software could output 24bit/96kHz of crap production if it wanted to.
Hehe, he got ya there ;)
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/08/01 : 17:35:16
Argh...That he did.
However, I'm sure that since the sound reproduction (being digital waveforms and all) doesn't really rely on a full-sik-mad engine. This is what I mean:
The mixing of sound waves is simply maths (superpostion). If you added (mixed) the sound files togther, it really doesn't matter which program does it, because it is all the same, the addition of 2 (or more) waveforms. No matter how expensive the software might be, it will still do the SAME thing, the addition of waveforms. Man, I don't care if its Pro Tools or some freeware wave editor, they will have the same quality from the mixing of 2 (or more) wave forms.
This only applies to sampled sounds though, not so much generated sounds like from internal synths.
Yes, there might be different interpolation and dithering algorithms (to change the waveform to whatever bit rate and sample rate) but the mixing is all the same.
My point of view still stands, and until I hear and see that FL cannot do the job, then I shall commit. Besides, while Reason gives me the best latency in the world on my SB Live! it doesn't let you use VST's unless you go through Cubase (which turns my beasty machine into a whining dog in the corner).
Just for the record, I'm using Reason atm, and I'm loving it 
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Posted - 2003/08/01 : 22:10:36
^^^ It might be math but there are thousands of different ways to program. Every peice of software does not share the same math formular, and there is not just one way of doing it.
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Posted - 2003/08/02 : 00:45:24
I've been an avid Fruityloops user since 2001 and version 2.7. I must say I can tell a fruityloop made song as soon as I hear it, but you can make it sound really nice if you use it right.
Friends and random people that I've shown my songs to, say to some of them, "Now THAT does not sound fruityloops at all!" And they are kind that are really picky about that and usually say it sounds fruityloops.
In fact.. a certain song that's quite popular was said to me (by the producer) that it was made in fruityloops! So I do think you can make some very nice songs in Fruityloops although Reason is alot better.
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Posted - 2003/08/02 : 23:59:51
True, true silver...
But super positioning is simply addition. You can't make many maths formulas for 1 + 1 = 2. That is what mixing is... Good ol' physics coming into play.
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