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latininxtc
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 Posted - 2011/11/26 : 17:20:20
Clive (DJ Entity) just posted this on his fb page, so thought I'd spread it around and share it with y'all.
I'd like to know people's thoughts - both consumers and producers, on 165+ BPM breakbeat hardcore (BBHC). I just want to get a general understanding, and yes, I am considering planning something...will become obvious what shortly :)
If you've only heard a few bits (or even none at all), or your mind's not made up - CLSM Jon Doe is spearheading something of a breakbeat revolution. Go check out http://www.clsm.net/ and have a listen. If you produce breakbeat OR you know someone who does and is just sitting on their tracks, send them to him!
I'd appreciate it if you could please spare a few minutes and answer the following questions. Can you also please share this with any of your friends who this might be of interest to. I will read everybody's answers and take everything on board.
1. What do you think of BBHC? Love it? Like it? Indifferent? Hate it?
2. If you like/love it, why? What appeals to you? If you hate it, why? This is the last question for you ;)
3. Have you always liked it, or is it something that's grown on you, or you've recently been exposed to it?
4. What sorts of BBHC do it for you? Dark and hard? Happy/cheesy? Vocal? Relaxed?
5. Which producers are doing it for you?
6. Which diverse producers (see: Al Storm, Darwin, Fracus, JAKAZiD, Ponder etc. etc.) would you like to hear more BBHC from?
7. Which producer(s) who don't make BBHC, or have only ever made one or two tracks ( i.e. Gammer / Styles) would you like to hear BBHC from?
8. Do you feel BBHC is "strong" enough to be played alongside 4/4 tracks mid-set (not just to open the set).
9. Would you like to see a 100% breakbeat set in the main room at a big event?
10. Would you attend a 100% breakbeat night, say - next Summer in the UK?
Please feel free to add any comments below. Continue on a separate sheet of paper if necessary.
Thank you for your time :)
You can post your answers on here and he'll definitely come by and check them out.
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Posted - 2011/11/26 : 17:28:00
Thanks for correcting the URL lol! *facepalm*
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Posted - 2011/11/26 : 17:31:25
Hang on, you got the link right.....
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Entity
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Posted - 2011/11/26 : 17:32:43
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Hang on, you got the link right.....
He did, I didn't :P I thought I'd slip an extra 'w' in at the beginning for luck. *whistles*
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2011/11/26 : 17:36:36
haha yea i remembered when i copied it the edit i had was for the last sentence
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Posted - 2011/11/26 : 17:46:20
Check out this beast on an answer
1. Love it
2. Allows for a side of hardcore that cant be emotionally portrayed or explored with a simple 4/4 beat. You can create a sound that represents happiness, joy, anguish, freedom, anger, tension or whatever feeling with a far wider range of versatile sounds, such as the bassline.
3. I think exposure. Would I have heard about it if I didnt download the COH or HU albums? Possibly not. I got into hardcore for the melodies and uplifting styles of music, so I didnt look for the music. The fact I've found it is a god-send thought.
4. It's hard to answer. I love the euphoric airy sounds that some tracks can bring so well, but its nice to dilute it with darker sounding tracks. That said I wouldnt want a mix with alternating happy - angry tracks.
5. Entity is one that stands out. CLSM is another. Other artists include Luna-c, Panacea, Ponder, Hattrixx, StrifeII and various others. That's not even including the numerous artists in D&B that are creating amazing breaks music. I could be here forever.
6. Ponder, definitely. Tracks like Chimera I cant get enough of. It'd be nice to hear more from Wizbit too. Entity has a steady flow of BBHC tracks, and I'd love to hear what else Gavin G has in his locker.
7. Well, certainly not Gammer or Styles. Thats simply because I like the state of the genre as it is. Its underground and mysterious. Its not influenced so much by money making sounds, but the sounds that formed the genre that so many people love. BBHC takes hardcore back a few steps and looks at the roots. If there was a producer I'd like to focus on BBHC a little more, I guess it'd be Ham. If he could bring what he offers as Hamilton and blend it with hardcore, we could have some amazing music. I think many of us will remember tracks like "Kinda Funky"
8. Its hard to say really, much BB has a softer more floaty appeal, and its a style of production that flows. Hardcore is produced to be, in many cases, as bouncy and compressed as possible. I think the types of music are very different, so sudden changes might sway a crowds mood. There are 'grey-area' Hardcore-BBHC tracks, so its probably possible to steadily glide a mix into a 4/4 mix or vice versa.
9. Possibly. Its hard to gauge how well received it is amongst people who'd be more used to the commercial stuff. I think its best suited to a 2nd room, which I suppose is part and parcel of being a more underground style. I like it that way, though I fear others will not.
10. Yes, if it was near enough, yes. If Munted gave a room to it for a Southend event, definitely yes.
Ponder & Luna-C for HU6.
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Posted - 2011/11/26 : 17:54:18
1. What do you think of BBHC? Love it? Like it? Indifferent? Hate it?
Generally I don't mind it, most people who like breakbeat hardcore are fans of the old skool, I'm a fan of the oldskool but I'm more 96-98 than 93-95. I have a lot breakbeat hardcore tracks I love, and then there's a lot that's somewhat meaningless to me...like I can't really grasp it.
2. If you like/love it, why? What appeals to you? If you hate it, why? This is the last question for you ;)
What I like about breakbeat hardcore is that it's such an unmistakably rave sound, the moment you try and commercialise it it stops sounding like breakbeat hardcore so there's always the 'rave roots' element there. What I don't like about breakbeat hardcore is when the tracks start sounding the same - maybe that's a bit obvious in any genre but I think I'm more inclined to dance to a boring 4/4 happy hardcore track than I am a boring breakbeat hardcore track.
3. Have you always liked it, or is it something that's grown on you, or you've recently been exposed to it?
It's grown on me, I'm too young to have been brought up with it but it was mainly Buzzman & SPARKLe on Eruption FM that got me into it, Buzzman doing the more traditional rave-y stuff and SPARKLe bringing in the rolling ragga influenced dub sounds (not to be confused with dubstep).
4. What sorts of BBHC do it for you? Dark and hard? Happy/cheesy? Vocal? Relaxed?
A bit of everything really, I'll always love the cheesy stuff with the uplifting piano but I'm also a fan of the more chilled out jungle/ragga vibe. Dark and hard is rarely my bag but I liked some stuff by Helix/Slam on xy2 records.
5. Which producers are doing it for you?
Mainly it's been just a few tracks here and there, no particular artist. Have to say Shimamura has always had very solid and enjoyable breakbeat stuff. Fracus & Darwin's sound has mutated a bit over the years and is becoming something I'm really enjoying. Does JAKAZiD's Aural Adrenaline stuff count as BBHC? I loved all that stuff and of course Need U More is one of the most amazing tracks I've heard though that's rave breaks I guess.
6. Which diverse producers (see: Al Storm, Darwin, Fracus, JAKAZiD, Ponder etc. etc.) would you like to hear more BBHC from?
More from Fracus and Darwin would be cool, also the Raw Elements crew know how to do some awesome breakbeat piano stuff, and JAKAZiD again because he understands and is really really good at capturing that oldskool broken beat piano early 90s rave sound so you know he'd do a great job of it.
7. Which producer(s) who don't make BBHC, or have only ever made one or two tracks ( i.e. Gammer / Styles) would you like to hear BBHC from?
Scott Brown would be interesting to hear his take on breakbeat hardcore (forgive me if he's done some before, I don't think I've heard any from him), also I think Technikore, Eufeion and weird as though it might sound...MC Whizzkid on his own. I'd love to hear a breakbeat hardcore track from him with maybe Gammer engineering it, Whizzkid is a big fan of Liquid like Darwin is so it'd be interesting to see his take on it
8. Do you feel BBHC is "strong" enough to be played alongside 4/4 tracks mid-set (not just to open the set).
Absolutely. Is nobody doing this? If not, why not?!
9. Would you like to see a 100% breakbeat set in the main room at a big event?
Yeah definitely, the sound needs to be pushed much further than it already is. Over the past year I've heard a few rave breaks sets being played at various hardcore nights and they're always amazing fun and absolutely destroy the dancefloor so yeah, I think there's definitely a place for BBHC.
10. Would you attend a 100% breakbeat night, say - next Summer in the UK?
Depends on how much the sound evolves, I think we need a bit more material similar to what's on HU5 with some varying styles of BBHC but if that can be done then YES. I'd love to also see the type of ravers it attracts as that's always a big deciding factor if the raves are worth going to or not, I hardly ever go to upfront nights anymore for that reason, drunk chavs and fights..no thanks.
Also I'd like to add to anyone making breakbeat hardcore: please get inspired by actual breakbeat hardcore rather than just drum n bass. I remember Hixxy and Dougal used to (and still do) play 'Modern Breakbeat hardcore' in their sets but it always just sounds like watered down drum n bass and never captures that 'rave' feel. I like how BBHC is shaping up at the moment though, it's avoiding that watered down drum n bass sound which is good.
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Posted - 2011/11/26 : 18:51:41
"8. Do you feel BBHC is "strong" enough to be played alongside 4/4 tracks mid-set (not just to open the set).
Absolutely. Is nobody doing this? If not, why not?!"
Fracus & Darwin do (and have done) this all the time. That's pretty much it, though, on the major stages. Which is a shame. Some other DJs do drop D&B tracks in, which begs the question.... why not support breakbeat hardcore? If there ever was a time to mix things up, I'd have thought now would be it?
*shrugs*
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Posted - 2011/11/26 : 19:19:36
1. What do you think of BBHC? Love it? Like it? Indifferent? Hate it?
Love it
2. If you like/love it, why? What appeals to you? If you hate it, why? This is the last question for you ;)
far more complex and musically intelligent then your regular 4/4 hardcore.
3. Have you always liked it, or is it something that's grown on you, or you've recently been exposed to it?
have liked it since I started listening to hardcore (1997ish)
4. What sorts of BBHC do it for you? Dark and hard? Happy/cheesy? Vocal? Relaxed?
Happy/Cheesy, Vocal, Relaxed - all three. not overly fond of Dark and hard as it usually just ends up sounding messy and monotonous
5. Which producers are doing it for you?
CLSM, Entity, Dawin/fracus (their breaks stuff!), Chris Ross, Faz, Rhythmics
6. Which diverse producers (see: Al Storm, Darwin, Fracus, JAKAZiD, Ponder etc. etc.) would you like to hear more BBHC from?
Chris Ross, Entity and CLSM (together! what a great track Lost In Time was!)
7. Which producer(s) who don't make BBHC, or have only ever made one or two tracks ( i.e. Gammer / Styles) would you like to hear BBHC from?
cleary Ham, Donna Grassie, Billy Bunter, Brisk, Force and Styles...(wait i'm just time traveling arent I?)
8. Do you feel BBHC is "strong" enough to be played alongside 4/4 tracks mid-set (not just to open the set).
of course!
9. Would you like to see a 100% breakbeat set in the main room at a big event?
Yes!
10. Would you attend a 100% breakbeat night, say - next Summer in the UK?
Yes, I'll be there (providing it isnt July bank holiday) :P
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Posted - 2011/11/27 : 06:25:25
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"8. Do you feel BBHC is "strong" enough to be played alongside 4/4 tracks mid-set (not just to open the set).
Absolutely. Is nobody doing this? If not, why not?!"
Fracus & Darwin do (and have done) this all the time.
Yeah I was gonna say I thought they did because I'm sure I've heard a lot of breakbeat hardcore their sets live, just the way the question was phrased made it seem like nobody was doing it yet.
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Posted - 2011/11/27 : 08:44:19
what in gods name is breakbeat hardcore?
Checking out that Breakbeat Revolution mix, it's not jungle, some of the tracks are regular hardcore that might have breakbeat...
so again, what is BBHC? IF it's Hardcore with breakbeats, then it's definitly not a revolution, as Hardcore has had breakbeats since... 1995?
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Posted - 2011/11/27 : 12:03:03
I already answered them all on Entity's facebook so Ill not go through it all again but my main points were:
- Its awesome
- I think perhaps it shouldnt just be UK Hardcore fans targetted as thats a small scene as it is and if 4/4 is your passion then breakbeats will never match that. I think DnB fans could definitely be into it though as they are already used to the breakbeats AND the bpm. If its going to become its own scene it will never survive off just 'bored UKHC fans', it needs its own following. I reckon alot of the stuff would go down well on sites like Dogs on Acid etc.
- Id love Hamilton (AKA DJ Ham) to get involved. Hes a respected name in UKHC and makes amazing DnB where he is playing the biggest events and getting on the biggest compilations. His backing could help recruit dnb fans.
- Chris Ross, StrifeII, Entity and Ponder need to get more tracks out on a regular basis. The CLSM store is great but it should also be on TID (maybe labelled as DnB?)
- I dont really want any of the current UKHC djs making breaks (who arnt already), i dont see what they could bring to it thats better than what CLSM, Fracus n Darwin etc all offer.
- Your average HTID/CXHC fan will never want a full hour of it on mainstage at westfest/HTID etc. They just wont.
- Breakbeat Hardcore NEEDS its own event with CLSM, Fracus n Darwin, Chris Ross, Entity, Ponder, StrifeII, Sam B etc ALL DJing at it. Maybe for its first event all the DJs halve their fees and the entry price can be set to 4/5 to try and get new curious people though the door to see the best BBHC can offer.
On a personal note, I am really trying to push breakbeat on NSR but its hard when I only have 1 producer making it. But bare with us :)
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Posted - 2011/11/27 : 12:34:11
1. What do you think of BBHC? Love it? Like it? Indifferent? Hate it?
I like it.
2. If you like/love it, why? What appeals to you? If you hate it, why? This is the last question for you ;)
The elements that appeal to me in a good breakbeat track are the same elements that appeal to me in a good 4/4 track. Piano, synths, vocals, up-beatness. The breakbeat aspect itself is just, I dunno - a tolerable alternative to the 4/4 beat. More than tolerable - that's the wrong word. But there are an extremely limited number of occasions where I think "You know what, this track (4/4) would actually be better as a breakbeat track".
3. Have you always liked it, or is it something that's grown on you, or you've recently been exposed to it?
It's obviously gained more exposure within the last few years and if you're a hardcore fan it would be impossible to not take notice of it. There are some excellent tracks out there. I wouldn't say it has grown on me - I feel exactly the same about it as I always have. Agnostic would be a good way to describe my attitude towards it.
4. What sorts of BBHC do it for you? Dark and hard? Happy/cheesy? Vocal? Relaxed?
Happy, Cheesy, Vocal.
5. Which producers are doing it for you?
Some of Fracus & Darwin's HU Breaks releases have been very strong. Sam B's Burning Up on Hardcore Underground 5 is a cracking tune.
6. Which diverse producers (see: Al Storm, Darwin, Fracus, JAKAZiD, Ponder etc. etc.) would you like to hear more BBHC from?
I don't know if I would like to see more, to be honest. I like the music - I like it a hell of a lot more than any mainstream chart music - but I never feel like I'm listening to Hardcore when I'm listening to it. At least not my intrinsic definition of Hardcore. Feels like two totally separate genres, and I have to be in two totally different moods to want to listen to either.
7. Which producer(s) who don't make BBHC, or have only ever made one or two tracks ( i.e. Gammer / Styles) would you like to hear BBHC from?
Gammer is a good example, because he can do literally anything when he fancies it.
8. Do you feel BBHC is "strong" enough to be played alongside 4/4 tracks mid-set (not just to open the set).
I, personally, would be pretty disappointed to go to an event where there was more Breakbeat than 4/4. That doesn't mean to say I don't think it's 'strong enough' to be played alongside 4/4. It's purely a matter of taste. I think if you're an events organiser, and you're planning on including a significant amount of Breakbeat throughout the night, you need to make people aware of that from the word go.
9. Would you like to see a 100% breakbeat set in the main room at a big event?
For the sake of diversity I'd like to say yes, but if I was paying the money, then, really - no.
10. Would you attend a 100% breakbeat night, say - next Summer in the UK?
Sure. I like the genre enough to go to a whole night of it, absolutely. It'd also be much easier to get a load of my non-hardcore loving mates to come along. Breakbeat is a much more socially acceptable genre in my opinion.
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Posted - 2011/11/27 : 17:09:59
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so again, what is BBHC? IF it's Hardcore with breakbeats, then it's definitly not a revolution, as Hardcore has had breakbeats since... 1995?
Hardcore has had breakbeats from the word go. Even after 'the split', copious 4/4 tracks, even ones with huge, dirty, crunchy kicks still had a breakbeat over the top of them (I miss those days...:( ).
I'm referring to breakbeat-led tracks. The stuff that CLSM, Darwin, Fracus, Ponder, Strife II etc. etc. make.
Yes, people have always been making breakbeat hardcore, or hardcore which had a prominent breakbeat in it, but unfortunately towards the end of the 90's most of the big producers eschewed breakbeat in their productions, and then of course Happy Hardcore transitioned into UK Hardcore and breakbeat stuff was by and large ignored.
What CLSM is doing, is he is getting behind BBHC and pushing it as much as he can. Whilst HU has its sister-label 'HU Breaks', and there are other labels which release breakbeat (NSR, Elation etc.) he's the only one who's channeling everything into breakbeat, and giving it a platform. He's signed tracks from brand-new artists through to Gammer, and hopefully this will continue. More people are starting to produce it. More people are starting to play it. Even if it's alongside DnB, it is getting more and more support.
Eh, I've gone on a waffle. What was the question again?
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Posted - 2011/11/27 : 18:38:02
I basicly stopped liking CLSM/Jon Doe after the Hardscape fiasko, and especially after turning the CLSM to a "almost only" breakbeat store
as I haven't been a fan of Jungle or D'n'B (which I presume breakbeat has most of its sound connected to), I have to say, no I do not like it. Hate? Might look like it, but I do not hate it, unless its being done by Basshunter :P
"Hardcore has had breakbeats from the word go. Even after 'the split', copious 4/4 tracks, even ones with huge, dirty, crunchy kicks still had a breakbeat over the top of them (I miss those days...:( )."
I liked alot of the 4/4 that came out in late 1990's, but I still prefer my hardcore to be 4/4, unless it might sound like Free by Karl Future & Simon, then it's acceptable :P
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Posted - 2011/11/28 : 09:47:27
1. What do you think of BBHC? Love it? Like it? Indifferent? Hate it?
I love Breakbeat!
2. If you like/love it, why? What appeals to you? If you hate it, why? This is the last question for you ;)
I think it has a very unique sound over the others. It's very clam and relaxing and then it could be very exciting and energetic. Sometimes they blend that all together, it's quite amazing!
3. Have you always liked it, or is it something that's grown on you, or you've recently been exposed to it?
I've honestly loved it from the get-go. Some tracks grew on me.
4. What sorts of BBHC do it for you? Dark and hard? Happy/cheesy? Vocal? Relaxed?
I don't really have a certain way I would prefer over the others. I'm not picky about it and I can find ways to enjoy any Breakbeat song.
5. Which producers are doing it for you?
Chris Ross, CLSM, Entity, A.B, Ponder, Darwin, Chavbots ;), Strifeii, Backmasker, Karl Future. Anything from HU or CLSM is just amazing.
6. Which diverse producers (see: Al Storm, Darwin, Fracus, JAKAZiD, Ponder etc. etc.) would you like to hear more BBHC from?
Gavin G. would be awesome and Wizbit! Other than that I accept anyone that isn't in the mainstream part of Hardcore. Some more Ant Johnson vocals :P
7. Which producer(s) who don't make BBHC, or have only ever made one or two tracks ( i.e. Gammer / Styles) would you like to hear BBHC from?
Scott Brown would make for an interesting song I suppose. Douglas or Endemic would be awesome as well.
8. Do you feel BBHC is "strong" enough to be played alongside 4/4 tracks mid-set (not just to open the set).
This is another reason I love Breakbeat! I believe you can mix it with almost any Hardcore song. Just have to know when it's the right time ;)
9. Would you like to see a 100% breakbeat set in the main room at a big event?
I would personally love to. I can't speak for everyone else though.
10. Would you attend a 100% breakbeat night, say - next Summer in the UK?
Of course! If I could get airplane tickets!
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