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acidfluxxbass
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 Posted - 2011/08/26 : 11:54:01
Just wondering, how much of a community effort would it take to get any decent and not already commercial hardcore track into the top 100 UK charts?
I recently saw a Youtube autotuned track get to No 37. The Masterchef Synthesia had a small campaign running to get it into the charts, and I was wondering would it be possible to do the same with hardcore?
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 12:01:40
Why would you want it the commercial charts? Are we are talking like commercial projects like Clubland X-treme Hardcore?
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 12:03:20
I was talking to a mate about this very recently.
Not sure what it would take, numbers wise - but I am definitely up for trying to instigate a push for something like this.
You having 2000 followers on SoundCloud is a decent starting place. I'm not saying use one of your tracks or anything (or is that what you're getting at?), but loads of people know who you are, and it would be a good starting point. I really reckon there could be a huge domino/viral effect.
Is it doable? Top 100? I think it's possible. Is it doable with punks like us behind the steering wheel? No idea.
Need to start with picking a track, I guess?
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 12:05:25
ask Safri Duo, they already made a Breeze & Styles'ish track back in 2003 called "all the people in the world"
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 12:11:39
I'm pretty sure anything can compete in the charts... aslong as all elements of that tune are legal of course...
as to the sales figures I'm not sure... maybe get in contact with someone within hardcore that's had dealings with the charts?
stu allan was the manager of clock in the 90s and does respond on Facebook... maybe worth a PM?
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 12:18:45
It didn't work with Styles' Save me, and i remember a LOT of people saying they were buying it. Trouble is, it's dead easy to get hundreds, even thousands of people to support something, but those numbers soon go down when they have to a. Buy something. Or b. Buy something they don't really like or want. If support and arse licking praise equalled sales Hardcore tunes would be selling by the shedload!
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 12:21:08
i think you would have the best chance with a breakbeaty hardcore track - seeing as the crossover is so close with DnB, which are the sort of dance tracks that are topping the UK chart currently.
you need a track that the fans of hardcore will back, that people who dont know hardcore will like, that is recognisable to the "sheeps" of the music scene, somthing that can be played on radio without presenters laughing at it and making light of it.
which is why i suggest a breakbeaty-hardcore track, because its not such a far cry from what is currently being played on the radio.
you need to take them from behind when they arent looking.
you choose something typical UK hardcore and it will just be laughed at by the media in general.
getting a hardcore track into the charts needs to have more than just a lets see if we can do it, you want something that will raise the profile of whats good out there - not whats bad.
Choose a UK hardcore track and i would say you'll alienate too many people.
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 12:24:51
I think for it to stand a chance we'd have to spread the word, make it a campaign of our own, select a good, legal and popular hardcore track that's forthcoming (something from HU?) and build hype around it so that it stands a chance. Surely hardcore has a big enough scene? Support from Ravine alone means he can communicate it over Fb (40k fans) or YT (75k).
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 12:30:13
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i think you would have the best chance with a breakbeaty hardcore track - seeing as the crossover is so close with DnB, which are the sort of dance tracks that are topping the UK chart currently.
you need a track that the fans of hardcore will back, that people who dont know hardcore will like, that is recognisable to the "sheeps" of the music scene, somthing that can be played on radio without presenters laughing at it and making light of it.
which is why i suggest a breakbeaty-hardcore track, because its not such a far cry from what is currently being played on the radio.
you need to take them from behind when they arent looking.
you choose something typical UK hardcore and it will just be laughed at by the media in general.
getting a hardcore track into the charts needs to have more than just a lets see if we can do it, you want something that will raise the profile of whats good out there - not whats bad.
Choose a UK hardcore track and i would say you'll alienate too many people.
Mmm, some valid points. This is the best one: "you need to take them from behind when they arent looking."
Totally understand your thinking, in this hypothetical scenario, of opting to push a breakbeat tune. That's fair enough - but then it's completely missing the point of Olly's ponderings.
The real test would be to get a UK Hardcore, 4-4 track up there.
Dean's point about Save Me is a good one. That said, main stream music fans are much, much more receptive do "dancey" sounds these days. Especially over the last 18 months.
Would it alienate someone? I don't think so. I know why you're saying it, but I don't think it would be too bad.
Track selection is obviously key. Ironically, I think choosing something Clubland sounding (which everyone refers to as commercial hardcore) would make it more difficult/laughable to non-hardcore fans.
Maybe something a little less cheesy and more sincere. Something like Darwin - Crystals, as an example.
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 13:26:58
There is no way in hell anyone would buy current Hardcore apart from the small few that listen to it in the Hardcore scene. You might like it, but to most people and from a musical perspective it's awful. Not that pop music is any less awful but at least a lot of people like it. Hardcore is just not accessible to generable public and never has been. It's simply not generic enough. For something for the average population to like it has to be very average (not in quality). It's too fast for a start.
What benefit do you feel Hardcore being in the charts would have anyway? Either it would be become very popular and the scene would further be ruined by commercialisation (unlikely) or it would be forgotten about straight away, or never really noticed to begin with. Neither is worthwhile.
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 13:46:20
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
There is no way in hell anyone would buy current Hardcore apart from the small few that listen to it in the Hardcore scene. You might like it, but to most people and from a musical perspective it's awful. Not that pop music is any less awful but at least a lot of people like it. Hardcore is just not accessible to generable public and never has been. It's simply not generic enough. For something for the average population to like it has to be very average (not in quality). It's too fast for a start.
What benefit do you feel Hardcore being in the charts would have anyway? Either it would be become very popular and the scene would further be ruined by commercialisation (unlikely) or it would be forgotten about straight away, or never really noticed to begin with. Neither is worthwhile.
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 14:03:18
for the most part he's right though, with the exception of my original thoughts ;)
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 14:06:30
To become popular it'd take few years if u ask me. But to end up on top 100 charts, several years in bad conditions. As far as I know, Hardcore is currently gaining popularity. If u wanna help in its progress just stick to 160-190 BPM remix competitions - high chances of winning.
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 14:37:25
I dont see why its not possible for a laugh. Support from the entire scene soley on one track during 1 week could do it, couldn't it?
Im not saying "do it to make hardcore great" I'm saying do it to get a random track that would probably barely get noticed in our own scene let alone on a national level a bit of a boost, perhaps into the top 100 of the charts, and see what happens from there?
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 14:42:37
As for 1 random track, that'd be a plenty of work.
EDIT: actually, we'd just need to pay MTV for adding our track and most of the job would be done already.
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Posted - 2011/08/26 : 20:52:09
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Originally posted by djDMS:
It didn't work with Styles' Save me
Top peak was #70 in 2007.
Anyway, Hardcore was and can be sold to the masses out there. In the 90s tracks got to the top 10 in Netherlands and Germany frequently. It only changed, beacuse the media (especially the US-american-owned) started making fun of it and deleted it from their playlist.
If you get an alternative TV and radio stations to play this genre, there will be a chance to be up in the spotlight again. And the time atm is very good, because all other genres stopped being melodic, fast and powerful.
I don't see anything wrong in becoming more popular: more audience, more competitors, more different influences, more DJs, more events, more clubs, etc.
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