Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2011/08/26 : 21:27:14
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
It didn't work with Styles' Save me
I don't see anything wrong in becoming more popular: more audience, more competitors, more different influences, more DJs, more events, more clubs, etc.
If you lived in England you would see what's wrong with it. As it is there is no shortage of these things. Either way, those things you listed would only happen in the very short term, until eveyone is bored of it, so it's not a good thing generally. Also you cannot compare Hardcore now to how it was in the 90's, it's a completely different genre now. In the 90's the production of the stuff that had chart success was far far better than any Hardcore around now.
The Doc Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,718 posts Joined: Jan, 2006
Posted - 2011/08/26 : 23:22:03
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
Just wondering, how much of a community effort would it take to get any decent and not already commercial hardcore track into the top 100 UK charts?
I recently saw a Youtube autotuned track get to No 37. The Masterchef Synthesia had a small campaign running to get it into the charts, and I was wondering would it be possible to do the same with hardcore?
thats weird! I was thinking today about how to get a hardcore track in the charts as Dubstep artists are doing atm! Someone posted on USH a few days ago how Celtic fans have started singing Discoland at games, i'm sure if only a 10th of fans who go to games bought this track that would be 6,000, and if actual Hardcore fans bought it aswell it would shoot into the charts, all it needs is someone to start the momentum! I remember the good old days when the likes of Technohead made top 10 in the UK!
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The Dopeman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2011/08/27 : 03:02:49
discoland is awesome but i keep thinking why would we want hardcore in the charts is it just to find out if it can be done?...atm i doubt it will happen with the crap thats around right now
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stray Senior Member
Australia
302 posts Joined: Sep, 2003
Posted - 2011/08/27 : 08:23:10
Some European country (can't remember which one) recently got some completely random, 15 year old song (also can't remember which one) to number 1 in their charts. The way they did it is they timed it with the release of their local Idol or X Factor or whatevers winner's 1st release. Basically they wanted to prove that you can get anything in the charts and not just mass produced rubbish. It worked not because they got fans of the track they chose in the charts, but because they had enough support from those against mainstream.
This could be an option of getting a Hardcore tune in there. Time it with the release of something like an UK idol release, and then pick a hardcore song to go against it and just get EVERYONE who hates Idol/mainstream to buy that track on week 1. It's just crazy enough to work.... again.
djDMS Advanced Member
United Kingdom
10,304 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
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Posted - 2011/08/27 : 09:12:21
quote:Originally posted by stray: Some European country (can't remember which one) recently got some completely random, 15 year old song (also can't remember which one) to number 1
Yeah, this one!
Stupid campaign to get RATM's Killing in the name of to Number 1. Ironic that people joined (like sheep) a campaign to stop other sheep getting a different tune to No. 1!
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Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2011/08/27 : 19:10:46
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
If you lived in England you would see what's wrong with it. As it is there is no shortage of these things. Either way, those things you listed would only happen in the very short term, until eveyone is bored of it, so it's not a good thing generally.
But it is those peaks, where "normal" people discover a genre and develope to inveterated listeners.
It is compareable to economics: you can't reach the state of booming, before having dropped to the bottom.
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Also you cannot compare Hardcore now to how it was in the 90's, it's a completely different genre now. In the 90's the production of the stuff that had chart success was far far better than any Hardcore around now.
I havn't done that. I only mentioned, that it happened before. And this is what the question was all about: is it possible for Hardcore to reach the charts?
quote:Originally posted by The Doc:
Someone posted on USH a few days ago how Celtic fans have started singing Discoland at games...
I kind of flip out evertime since Frankfurt supporters started to sing "Wonderfuly Days".
quote:Originally posted by stray:
Some European country (can't remember which one) recently got some completely random, 15 year old song (also can't remember which one) to number 1 in their charts. The way they did it is they timed it with the release of their local Idol or X Factor or whatevers winner's 1st release. Basically they wanted to prove that you can get anything in the charts and not just mass produced rubbish. It worked not because they got fans of the track they chose in the charts, but because they had enough support from those against mainstream.
This could be an option of getting a Hardcore tune in there. Time it with the release of something like an UK idol release, and then pick a hardcore song to go against it and just get EVERYONE who hates Idol/mainstream to buy that track on week 1. It's just crazy enough to work.... again.
This already has happened in Germany last year. To beat one of this casting show crap, people bought Blumchen's "Boomerang" and it got to the top 5.
But this doesn't really works to get people interested into Hardcore, because such movements only want to use "crap" music to beat other crap music. Boomerang was chosen only because a lot of people would define it as trash.
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Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2011/08/27 : 19:55:23
quote:Originally posted by stray:
Some European country (can't remember which one) recently got some completely random, 15 year old song (also can't remember which one) to number 1 in their charts. The way they did it is they timed it with the release of their local Idol or X Factor or whatevers winner's 1st release. Basically they wanted to prove that you can get anything in the charts and not just mass produced rubbish. It worked not because they got fans of the track they chose in the charts, but because they had enough support from those against mainstream.
This could be an option of getting a Hardcore tune in there. Time it with the release of something like an UK idol release, and then pick a hardcore song to go against it and just get EVERYONE who hates Idol/mainstream to buy that track on week 1. It's just crazy enough to work.... again.
So it would only get in the charts because people don't want something else to be number one? Still pointless because it's not about the tune anyway.
redwingz Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,483 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
Posted - 2011/08/28 : 10:25:20
I had a look into this a while ago out of curiosity and found a page by someone who had a few tracks in the top 40 and the basics are:
- First you need to register the track with the OCC (official charts company)
- You need to sell the track via approved suppliers whose sales figures count towards the UK chart (selling 3 million units on IMOdownload wouldnt count, itunes, amazon etc are the obvious ones)
- It takes (for an average week) about 1,500 sales to get a track in the top 40 of the SINGLES chart. Obviously this figure is higher around christmas when lots of music is coming out, or events like festivals where an old timer plays a classic on TV and re-charts.
- Interestingly, you can make your track available for pre-order, so you can start selling your track, 8 weeks (think thats the limit) before the release date and all the pre-order sales count towards your first week of sales. So in essence you could get 9 weeks of sales figures for your first week. (however getting people to pre-order an mp3 single may be tricky).
- You can also register 4 different versions of the track and sales of ALL remixes count towards the original's sales figures. However, that doesnt means I can buy 100 copies of Track A and another 100 of all its remixes and have that count as 500 sales. Any activity like that will be spotted and your track will be pulled from the charts count. I believe you can buy 1 or 2 copies of each version max (this is cleared up on a PDF you can get from the OCC site).
So...lets say we had.....
Archefluxx - Chartfluxx (as our main registered track, and then got the following remixes)
Archefluxx - Chartfluxx (Styles & Breeze Remix)
Archefluxx - Chartfluxx (Skrillex Remix)
Archefluxx - Chartfluxx (Pendulum Remix)
Lets say the original sold 100 copies in pre-orders, the S&B remix sold 125, the Skrillex remix sold 675 and the Pendulum Remix sold 800 units....
The track would chart in the top 40.....but it would be the original that would chart as thats the headliner of the bundle, even though it only sold 100. No doubt the other tracks would get more airtime on underground radio and dj sets, but when they ran down the top 40 on radio 1, it would be the original that is played.
If you want top 100, I think about 750-800 sales should do that. Maybe around the 500 sales mark via itunes would get you in the itunes top 100 for the week.
1,500 for a top 40 doesnt sound alot does it? But it is damn hard to get 1500 people to buy a track in the space of a week. When you think most hardcore tracks sell less than 100 in TOTAL!
Look at Darren Styles, someone mentioned Save Me only got to number 70-odd, yet his album sold over 500,000 copies and got to number 2 or 3 in the UK albums chart! Selling singles is not quite so easy.
Just a sidenote.....if it was a hardcore track....better make it a radio edit, your average music buyer doesnt want to buy a 7 minute long dj friendly track and radio wont play that. Stick the DJ version in the bundle as the last track, but the headliner should be a 3.30 radio version
Craigavon raver Advanced Member
Ireland
2,238 posts Joined: Sep, 2007
Posted - 2011/09/01 : 21:02:13
quote:Originally posted by The Doc:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
Just wondering, how much of a community effort would it take to get any decent and not already commercial hardcore track into the top 100 UK charts?
I recently saw a Youtube autotuned track get to No 37. The Masterchef Synthesia had a small campaign running to get it into the charts, and I was wondering would it be possible to do the same with hardcore?
thats weird! I was thinking today about how to get a hardcore track in the charts as Dubstep artists are doing atm! Someone posted on USH a few days ago how Celtic fans have started singing Discoland at games, i'm sure if only a 10th of fans who go to games bought this track that would be 6,000, and if actual Hardcore fans bought it aswell it would shoot into the charts, all it needs is someone to start the momentum! I remember the good old days when the likes of Technohead made top 10 in the UK!
Ha celtic fans jumping on the cliftonville band wagon yet again lol cliftonville fans have been singing discoland for years
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lol cliftonville fans have been singing discoland for years 
