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NekoShuffle
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 Posted - 2011/04/28 : 10:45:16
right first of all, I'm not one to just get mad over someone who's popular without good reason, I don't have the time to care about it and I'm so wrapped up in hardcore most of the time that it doesn't affect me anyway, not to mention Skrillex seems virtually unknown here in the UK.
Oh and Atomsk, as much as I'm not keen on his music I think Justin Bieber is brilliant and the kid deserves every bit of fame he's gotten, so you'll find no hate for him here.
The thing that REALLY irks me about this guy, (and I even said this to someone on twitter) is that even when I remove and stop thinking about all the superficial stuff that I don't like about him, such as the music he makes, the way he acts, the way he looks etc. when it ALL comes down to it he is absolutely taking his fans for a ride. Has anyone even watched the videos? I'll say this a 3rd time, he CLEARLY cuts the music himself and then acts like he doesn't know what's caused it, leaving everyone to blame the promoters for 'cutting the power'. He's LYING to his audience right in front of their faces.
This guy makes BIG bucks and not only can he not even be bothered to even MIX his music properly, he will go as far as to actually fool his own fans and the people who look up to him, I think that is absolutely disgusting personally and I'd like to think that if anyone in this thread defending him gets famous that they don't do the same.
Also I'm completely against filesharing but I still think music should be made for the love of it rather than for bags of cash. I find it a bit ironic that people are saying "some musicians do it to make a living instead of the love of it" meanwhile ripping it out of Darren Styles for producing 'popcore' and being too commercial. If you come into electronic music with the intention of making loads of money then sorry but you are in the wrong game. I also find it ironic that everyone is moaning in the hardcore forum that TID and so on is flooded with artists making bad music trying to get quick cash, yet it's suddenly fine if it's in another genre? I'm seeing some real contradictions here. It's like Tiesto (who can at least mix) winning best DJ awards, everyone gets on their high horse about it simply because they don't like him, but if someone argues with something they do like, that all gets forgotten and mixing ability suddenly 'doesn't matter as long as it pleases the crowds'. Hmm...
Once again Lilley, you can throw engineering analogies at me all you want but you're comparing a technical skill to an artform. But then again you seem to constantly disagree with every post I make so make of that what you will.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 11:00:18
just to point out, i don't know his music, didnt really watch the videos and don't really care if he's famous or not :P
actually i just watched the last video - entirely - he seems like a nice guy, this is music he makes...the end of the last video is how he ended a set
i mean yeah if he was just mixing other peoples music on a laptop that might be a little dodgy, but this is music he made, and he's able to tweek it live..
dont see why your having a paddy about him, like he says in that..he release one EP and people are calling him a sellout lol
BT also does a laptop symphony in exactly this style
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 11:11:07
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
just to point out, i don't know his music, didnt really watch the videos and don't really care if he's famous or not :P
actually i just watched the last video - entirely - he seems like a nice guy, this is music he makes...the end of the last video is how he ended a set
i mean yeah if he was just mixing other peoples music on a laptop that might be a little dodgy, but this is music he made, and he's able to tweek it live..
dont see why your having a paddy about him, like he says in that..he release one EP and people are calling him a sellout lol
BT also does a laptop symphony in exactly this style
That's how he ends his set? stopping the music and then blaming it on a powercut? I'm so glad I'm not paying any money to see him perform live then.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 11:19:53
edit, my bad, you mean the first video!
where the tv screen in the corner also turns off at exactly the same time as the music turns off...........................
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wow - its obvious the power was cut! the tv goes off, the sound goes off, and as soon as it happens (i bet theres a small lag) he quick wacks a fader up, checks the phono/line switch then checks the power on the mixer - exactly what any other DJ (or in his case producer) would do
you seriously are overreacting lol
i dont even know the guy, or his music, but you're acting like he just slept with your partner
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 11:29:43
also - the dubstep he's producing sounds really good - thankyou for introducing me to him - definatly going to have to venture into the dubstep tent at global gathering now, i wasnt going to bother before! :D
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 13:30:52
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Also I'm completely against filesharing but I still think music should be made for the love of it rather than for bags of cash.
sure, maybe in fantasy land that would be excellent and optimal for music production, but back in the real world, that just isnt the case.
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I find it a bit ironic that people are saying "some musicians do it to make a living instead of the love of it" meanwhile ripping it out of Darren Styles for producing 'popcore' and being too commercial. I also find it ironic that everyone is moaning in the hardcore forum that TID and so on is flooded with artists making bad music trying to get quick cash, yet it's suddenly fine if it's in another genre? I'm seeing some real contradictions here. It's like Tiesto (who can at least mix) winning best DJ awards, everyone gets on their high horse about it simply because they don't like him
Two different things there. One. For people complaining about Darren Styles "selling out" check who posts them, because I won't be in it. For people complaining about him writing crap music, sure, I'd have a dig too. The key words you used there are "bad music".
Two. Tiesto winning best DJ awards has nothing to do with him "selling out". It has everything to do with successful promotion and not much to do with producing good music.
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Once again Lilley, you can throw engineering analogies at me all you want but you're comparing a technical skill to an artform.
********. Music can easily be described correctly as a technical skill and an immaculately engineered masterpiece as an artform. Trying to differentiate between them is just self congratulatory masturbation.
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But then again you seem to constantly disagree with every post I make so make of that what you will.
If your saying inside this thread, then sure. Outside of it, I wouldn't know I don't really take notice. I just agree or disagree with post content. Having said that, parts of yours in this thread don't bother me. ie. your opinion of skrillex is neither here nor there to me, same with lying to fans, [ignoring Triquatra's post]. It doesn't really bother me, Ozzy Ozbourne pretended to be some sort of gothic maniac, whatever, if it's done to be part of the show then let them do what they will.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 13:41:38
im just listening through his EP
its bloody brilliant! i can fully understand why people love him.
still find it funny that you got so annoyed about the powercut thing when it clearly was one :P
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 15:23:34
Instead of arguing moot points is NOBODY seeing my point of view at all? I feel like I'm having a bitch and a whine here but I always keep my mind open to new opinions, new music and so on and I'm constantly trying to see things from other people's point of view, there's very little I don't give the time of day and then I make a post like this and all I get is people jumping on me left right and center and not even answering the points I have put forward without me asking 3 times to answering them.
That's what pisses me off, nobody has even bothered to meet me in the middle or at least try to relate, and people saying I'm having a paddy? Did none of you think "well lets try and see what exactly gets this guy so worked up about this producer" ?
I showed my mum a video of him and didn't tell her anything about him, I just said "watch this guy" showed her the 2 videos and she said she really doesn't like him, I've heard a lot of people say they just really don't get on with him so obviously there is SOMETHING there yet nobody is bothering to even investigate this. I thought I was perhaps closed minded for not liking his music or his style but clearly I'm a lot more open minded than a lot of people are.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 15:34:30
I thought i answered your points quite well...especially the one about how it almost certainly was a powercut...
and that this chap makes his own music, then plays it out live to people, and tweeks it live...
which is exactly what BT does with his laptop symphonies...
other than that i dont think i can defend the way he looks or talks (one can't help how they are born)
and the money thing, i thought he answered it quite well in that second video you posted
I dont see any evidence of him "selling out"...from everything i've heard he clearly has talent when it comes to making music...
people are enjoying it - he clearly isnt taking anyone for a ride - and now its you ignoring my point about the power clearly being cut off :P
you're getting annoyed about mixing (or lack theirof), but he isnt 'mixing' and isnt supposed to be - this is own music... these people havent come to hear how he can mix his own music together...they've just come to hear his own music!
in a way its more talented that he actually made the music he's playing out, compared to somebody who is just mixing two songs that somebody else made together and standing there like they're god whilst links to www.www.arminvanbuuren.com are flashed on the displays behind them ;)
I just think your anger is totally irrational lol
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 16:23:15
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
you're comparing a technical skill to an artform.
That's because they can be. Ask a chief financial officer. Ask an audio engineer. Ask software engineers working for the FSF or Microsoft.
As for the mixing, aside from what Lilley and Triquatra have said, these days DJs are supposed to get a party going, and it looks like that's what Skrillex was doing in both videos (except for that guy in the first one with his arms crossed most of the time :P). It's not like he was doing anything "unethical" either like some have done (e.g. playing somebody else's mix or a pre-recorded one when they weren't paid or invited to do that).
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 17:21:44
Neko - really sounds like you're embarking on a bit of a crusade here!
The guy is only trying to make a name in the music business and maybe make a few quid out of it along the way - what a bastard eh!
Your personal feelings and (likely) mistaken interpretation of the Vid are clouding whatever judgement you previously had. You clearly don't like him for some reason, and for you who generally comes across as pretty optimistic this is pretty surprising.
I don't really have much of an opinion as far as Skrillex is concerned - and those videos don't particularly sway me one way or the other. What matters more to me is the obvious talent that he shows, how he got to where he is is neither here nor there. He didn't come into my house on christmas day and shit on the kid's presents so i could probably forgive him for any minor negative personality traits he might exhibit.
I could make a list a mile long of DJ's/Producers/Singers who appear to be absolute wankers but as i don't know them (or care what they're like) it doesn't affect me personally. If i see an announcement from Billy Joe Armstrong saying i'm a knobhead i might consider my opinion that Green Day are the greatest band in the world, until that happens, he can do what he likes!
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 17:26:07
Neko this isn't like you. u must be smoking a bad batch of pot laced with something.
I don't think that anyone has specifically made this point, but electronic music is not a genre where you can base all your fame solely on being just a producer or just a dj. you have to be able to do both, even if you don't like it. While I despise what Deadmau5 said about djs, i understand why he said it.
in order to get ahead you not only have to be able to produce successfully, but you have to dj/perform live as well. And rather than just stand there and do whatever, skrillex takes it upon himself to get wild and crazy at his performances. it looks kind of stupid to me, but hey the crowd enjoys it. You have to be able to make yourself different from all the other djs, even if it's hyping up the crowd the way skrillex does or something more simple as wearing a stupidass mouse head, if it works it works.
and yea us americans eat up whatever is popular. so right now there's plenty of bandwagon jumpers in dubstep & electro. and yea they get as excited as this lol. i do like dubstep, but tire of it very easily i can't handle a whole set of it, except on rare occasions
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 17:34:03
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
I don't think that anyone has specifically made this point, but electronic music is not a genre where you can base all your fame solely on being just a producer or just a dj. you have to be able to do both, even if you don't like it. While I despise what Deadmau5 said about djs, i understand why he said it.
It seems to be a fact of almost all genres that live performers will get more traction faster.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 19:05:47
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
Neko this isn't like you.
this was also going through my head...maybe his account was hijaccked?...by 95_was_the_time?!?!?!
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 19:13:26
It has been a bad day/week/month/year for me so far. I don't even care about your counterarguments right now, I've gone down the slope from rage to apathy. Tomorrow night I'm gonna let the shrooms do their thing and re-evaluate everything.
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