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warped_candykid
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 Posted - 2011/04/23 : 17:04:02
I think it would be neat if there were anthem cd mixes coming out again, like the Happy2bHardcore albums were. Not all new cds showcase every tune coming out at the moment, and it would be cool if maybe 2 anthem mixes a year would be awesome to showcase some of the top happy hardcore releases. They could also contain tracks that are not yet released as well, but ya, they could follow the Happy2bHardcore template on track selections.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 17:28:17
It was a little phase a few years back, remember all of the "hardcore classics" CD's and mixes that appeared? Each one playing the same tracks as the other. I love the idea it just needs to be complied by people other than people who don't know the music or people who aren't just trying to get more royalties for their tracks.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 18:05:31
yea it would be nice to see that. i can see it happening again in the US, but not so much in the UK, as majority of the ppl already producing albums are label oriented, and focus on only a select few labels where the tracks come from.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 18:41:59
I think when you used "Happy 2B Hardcore" you lost me there. As far as I'm concerned the series ended at number 6 for me. The upfront stuff just wasn't happy hardcore for the most part. The idea is nice, but the analogy just didn't sit well with me if I'm honest.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 19:15:02
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think when you used "Happy 2B Hardcore" you lost me there. As far as I'm concerned the series ended at number 6 for me. The upfront stuff just wasn't happy hardcore for the most part. The idea is nice, but the analogy just didn't sit well with me if I'm honest.
i think u lost urself in the whole post.
it isn't about what is "happy" what he's talking about is having a large variety of really good tracks from different labels and different artists, instead of focusing on just a couple of labels being used and the dj mixing it focusing on mostly his tracks. and also most albums will focus on just new or unreleased material, whereas h2bh didn't focus on showcasing new material but more on tracks that were quite popular or can be seen as gaining a lot of popularity in the near future, and most tracks on the albums were obtainable. you rarely see that anymore.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 19:27:12
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think when you used "Happy 2B Hardcore" you lost me there. As far as I'm concerned the series ended at number 6 for me. The upfront stuff just wasn't happy hardcore for the most part. The idea is nice, but the analogy just didn't sit well with me if I'm honest.
Ya, you kind of lost yourself. Compare the tracks off the Happy2bHardcore series to the tracks on today's albums...On H2BH, you got tracks that were released, or would soon be released, the tracks were well known, hence the Anthem status, and the tracks on 1 cd were from multiple lables.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 19:28:31
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think when you used "Happy 2B Hardcore" you lost me there. As far as I'm concerned the series ended at number 6 for me. The upfront stuff just wasn't happy hardcore for the most part. The idea is nice, but the analogy just didn't sit well with me if I'm honest.
i think u lost urself in the whole post.
it isn't about what is "happy" what he's talking about is having a large variety of really good tracks from different labels and different artists, instead of focusing on just a couple of labels being used and the dj mixing it focusing on mostly his tracks. and also most albums will focus on just new or unreleased material, whereas h2bh didn't focus on showcasing new material but more on tracks that were quite popular or can be seen as gaining a lot of popularity in the near future, and most tracks on the albums were obtainable. you rarely see that anymore.
I know what he meant, I just think to be brutually honest that there aren't enough anthems to match the Happy 2B Hardcore CDs in any way. In the past 5 years what TRUE anthems have there really been? We Are The Vampires? That's the closest I can think.
I mean I do approve of the idea, I'm a bit sick of having new material pushed in my face constantly, no appreciation for the classics, hence why I don't bother with hardcore podcasts. He just happened to use the name which I sort of look up to religiously, nothing to be taken personally.
in fact going back to the new material thing, all of electronic music is doing this at the moment and it is actually much more self-destructive than perhaps they realise. Everyone trying to push their own releases just means that so much is gonna get lost in the past because after a year it'll be irrelevant and no other DJ will play it apart from those with no releases of their own, and they don't get major bookings anyway so 10 years into the future the sets are going to be scarce at best and people are only going to be remembering a tiny amount of the actual music that came out.
sorry, just had a bit of an enlightenment moment there, crazy what's going on right now..
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 08:40:57
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think when you used "Happy 2B Hardcore" you lost me there. As far as I'm concerned the series ended at number 6 for me. The upfront stuff just wasn't happy hardcore for the most part. The idea is nice, but the analogy just didn't sit well with me if I'm honest.
i think u lost urself in the whole post.
it isn't about what is "happy" what he's talking about is having a large variety of really good tracks from different labels and different artists, instead of focusing on just a couple of labels being used and the dj mixing it focusing on mostly his tracks. and also most albums will focus on just new or unreleased material, whereas h2bh didn't focus on showcasing new material but more on tracks that were quite popular or can be seen as gaining a lot of popularity in the near future, and most tracks on the albums were obtainable. you rarely see that anymore.
I know what he meant, I just think to be brutually honest that there aren't enough anthems to match the Happy 2B Hardcore CDs in any way. In the past 5 years what TRUE anthems have there really been? We Are The Vampires? That's the closest I can think.
I mean I do approve of the idea, I'm a bit sick of having new material pushed in my face constantly, no appreciation for the classics, hence why I don't bother with hardcore podcasts. He just happened to use the name which I sort of look up to religiously, nothing to be taken personally.
in fact going back to the new material thing, all of electronic music is doing this at the moment and it is actually much more self-destructive than perhaps they realise. Everyone trying to push their own releases just means that so much is gonna get lost in the past because after a year it'll be irrelevant and no other DJ will play it apart from those with no releases of their own, and they don't get major bookings anyway so 10 years into the future the sets are going to be scarce at best and people are only going to be remembering a tiny amount of the actual music that came out.
sorry, just had a bit of an enlightenment moment there, crazy what's going on right now..
I highly look up to my Happy2bHardcore cds. Sure, the mixing sucks, but the importance of them and track selection is what makes them stand out! There are plenty of anthems coming out today, but since only new material is pushed, there isn't that chance for a track to become an anthem because the previous batch of new material gets pushed over by the next batch. The way you find an anthem is how well the crowd reacts, or the amount of playtime a track gets. You bottle that track up and put it on an anthem's cd mix, and waa lah!
Jakazid-"Find Me Odysse to Anyoona"
Darwin-"Magical Rainbow"
Dougal & Gammer-"Heaven Calls Your Name/Hold Me Close Tonight (can't think of the title)
Bang!-Shooting Star(Al Storm Remix)
Darwin-"Fly Away Now"
Insight-"Heaven Help Me Now"
Re-Con-The Whezzles
Re-Con & Demand-"Rasons"
The list goes on!
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 11:34:52
No offence but while I like some of those tracks I wouldn't call any of them anthems. Anthems are the really good tunes that get cained constantly at raves, I've never heard any of those get cained apart from Hold Me Close Tonight which never gets played out anymore anyway. You look at H2BH and it was full of stuff that was getting cained (Here I am, Eyeopener, Shooting star, heart of gold etc,) plus some slightly lesser known tunes.
I love the stuff Jakazid does but unfortunately they aren't 'anthems', same with Magical Rainbow, great tune but way way waaaay too cheesy to be considered an anthem in this day and age. Anthems I can think of now are like We Are The Vampires, Slap You Like a Bitch, Bang Yer Head Off, maybe Re-Con's remix of I Wanna Be A Hippy and to be honest I don't know how many of those will stand the test of time.
There hasn't really been a good solid anthem that gets constantly cained in years, last one was probably Save Me by Darren Styles. Everything is so temperamental now, hence my point above. I'm not disagreeing with your idea I'm just saying that there are no real anthems like there were back in the days of H2BH, every DJ is just playing their own tracks and constantly churning new ones out, in 10 years time we're going to have hardly anything standout from this time in hardcore, it's a joke.
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 17:45:50
i don't recognize half of what you mentioned Warped, and i wouldn't consider the ones u mentioned anthems either Neko, except for Save Me
also you have to add Pretty Rave Girl. how can anyone not consider that an anthem??? and i would def say wii go crazy is another
i think one of the reasons why there is so little out there that is considered anthems these days is that there is an overwhelming amount of hardcore released on a daily basis, and due to the improvement of the internet, we have faster access to it than before.
a lot of us are consistently trying to get newer stuff that we don't dwell any particular song for a long time. about a decade ago here in the US you would hear those songs played at events for a year, maybe longer since we didn't have a lot of resources for hardcore. in fact it's still somewhat that way these days. when i went to that rave last year in the summer, both hardcore djs played mostly older, more well-known tracks rather than focus on the new stuff.
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 18:17:50
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No offence but while I like some of those tracks I wouldn't call any of them anthems. Anthems are the really good tunes that get cained constantly at raves, I've never heard any of those get cained apart from Hold Me Close Tonight which never gets played out anymore anyway. You look at H2BH and it was full of stuff that was getting cained (Here I am, Eyeopener, Shooting star, heart of gold etc,) plus some slightly lesser known tunes.
I love the stuff Jakazid does but unfortunately they aren't 'anthems', same with Magical Rainbow, great tune but way way waaaay too cheesy to be considered an anthem in this day and age. Anthems I can think of now are like We Are The Vampires, Slap You Like a Bitch, Bang Yer Head Off, maybe Re-Con's remix of I Wanna Be A Hippy and to be honest I don't know how many of those will stand the test of time.
Well, since there is 0% Hardcore in my rave scene, it's kind of hard to know what songs are being cained. 2008 was the last year we had a Happy Hardcore set in my scene, and before that, it was 2006. The newest material in the 2006 set was "You're Shining" & "Deep Inside", and those had come out waaaay before 2006. The 2008 set was an upfront set of tracks at the time, and it was pretty much a Dougal & Gammer showcase mix that consisted of their tracks off Hardcore Euphoria and True Hardcore 1. Jimini Criket came in 2007 and played a 90s Happy Hardcore set.
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 18:18:50
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i don't recognize half of what you mentioned Warped, and i wouldn't consider the ones u mentioned anthems either Neko, except for Save Me
I was kind of thinking of tracks that Anabolic Frolic would have picked.
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 18:19:23
Maybe I'd agree with Wii Go Crazy but not Pretty Rave Girl. I don't think I've ever heard that played out. Isn't that S3RL? I've never heard any S3RL here apart from Dealer once. The average raver doesn't know who S3RL even is here. But yeah the problem is we have too much stuff churned out constantly.
People who say 'the scene has never been stronger' are seriously deluded. I'm not being a scare monger here and being all like "the scene is dying, hardcore is dead" but you can tell it's obviously not in a good way at the moment because to keep the cashflow going, producers are churning out releases constantly. I don't think hardcore will ever die, even if there was an apocalypse it would be dug up. But I'm calling it how I'm seeing it and that's just how things are. Producers are churning out (for the most part) generic tracks. I don't think it's a good thing, but I can understand why they do it. I think as a result the quality of music has gone down too.
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 18:29:56
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
No offence but while I like some of those tracks I wouldn't call any of them anthems. Anthems are the really good tunes that get cained constantly at raves, I've never heard any of those get cained apart from Hold Me Close Tonight which never gets played out anymore anyway. You look at H2BH and it was full of stuff that was getting cained (Here I am, Eyeopener, Shooting star, heart of gold etc,) plus some slightly lesser known tunes.
I love the stuff Jakazid does but unfortunately they aren't 'anthems', same with Magical Rainbow, great tune but way way waaaay too cheesy to be considered an anthem in this day and age. Anthems I can think of now are like We Are The Vampires, Slap You Like a Bitch, Bang Yer Head Off, maybe Re-Con's remix of I Wanna Be A Hippy and to be honest I don't know how many of those will stand the test of time.
Well, since there is 0% Hardcore in my rave scene, it's kind of hard to know what songs are being cained. 2008 was the last year we had a Happy Hardcore set in my scene, and before that, it was 2006. The newest material in the 2006 set was "You're Shining" & "Deep Inside", and those had come out waaaay before 2006. The 2008 set was an upfront set of tracks at the time, and it was pretty much a Dougal & Gammer showcase mix that consisted of their tracks off Hardcore Euphoria and True Hardcore 1. Jimini Criket came in 2007 and played a 90s Happy Hardcore set.
Yeah, I've studied the north american rave scene a lot (Because I like the look of it compared to what we have here) and it really seems like the DJs control the crowd and not vice versa. For example most of the ravers over there who like happy hardcore will think of the old skool stuff like the old Happy 2B Hardcore CDs. They will dance to upfront but I think the only reason they dance to upfront is because the DJs (who keep track of the music more) play it because it's the hot new stuff. I think if they made a conscious choice they would probably choose the older happy hardcore stuff but it seems like there is a real divide between ravers and DJs over there and so the DJ ends up being in control of what's played.
Over here it's a bit more like the ravers dictate the music. For example if I tried playing an old skool 97 happy hardcore set in a main room at a rave here I would probably have the dancefloor cleared in seconds and wouldn't get invited back to play again. DJs have to play to the whim of the crowd, over there I think there is still a novelty value in raves and electronic music (due to lack of mainstream exposure maybe?) so ravers will happily dance to anything, which might also explain why your raves are mixed genre for the most part. I can't even imagine the chaos that would ensue if someone started playing trance or drum n bass in the main room at a hardcore rave here.
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 23:20:45
The reason we relate to Happy2bHardcore so much is because it was pretty much our only outlet for Happy Hardcore music. Sure, there was Bonkers, United Dance, Hardcore Heaven, etc, but unless you were in with the DJ, there really wasn't much word floating about of those albums here in the States. We also had the HiGHborn Label which churned out a very small amount of albums/vinyl, and then there is some rare cd I own called "Hardcore Energy 2000" by DJ Mindcontroller that I can't find any information on whatsoever, yet it's on amazon, and has a upc code on the case. Also, thanks to file sharing, people who would share the Happy2bHardcore albums would label the artist for every song as "Anabolic Frolic", so many people thought he was an actual artist. I sent Frolic an e-mail years back and asked him for suggestions for other cds, and he told me about Bonkers, and that's how my collection started to grow. On a second note, Moonshine Music released these cds called "Speed Limit 140 BPM" that were a collection of DnB and HHC BEFORE Frolic released his Happy2bHardcore Ch. 1, it's just Happy2bHardcore were the 1st full on Happy Hardcore cds we had here in the states.
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 23:35:31
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The reason we relate to Happy2bHardcore so much is because it was pretty much our only outlet for Happy Hardcore music. Sure, there was Bonkers, United Dance, Hardcore Heaven, etc, but unless you were in with the DJ, there really wasn't much word floating about of those albums here in the States. We also had the HiGHborn Label which churned out a very small amount of albums/vinyl, and then there is some rare cd I own called "Hardcore Energy 2000" by DJ Mindcontroller that I can't find any information on whatsoever, yet it's on amazon, and has a upc code on the case. Also, thanks to file sharing, people who would share the Happy2bHardcore albums would label the artist for every song as "Anabolic Frolic", so many people thought he was an actual artist. I sent Frolic an e-mail years back and asked him for suggestions for other cds, and he told me about Bonkers, and that's how my collection started to grow. On a second note, Moonshine Music released these cds called "Speed Limit 140 BPM" that were a collection of DnB and HHC BEFORE Frolic released his Happy2bHardcore Ch. 1, it's just Happy2bHardcore were the 1st full on Happy Hardcore cds we had here in the states.
Yep I understand why, but I'm just sort of explaining the difference between the 2 scenes, sorry if it sounds like I'm lecturing but I just find it fascinating. But then I am all about the rave, constantly. Believe it or not when I first got into happy hardcore years ago my first track was pirated and it was Ravers Anthem which I later tracked down to be from H2BH 4 so I can sort of relate to you guys in that I never had bonkers or the others either, I've always been 100% H2BH I love that series and live by it. Also I still have an original mp3 I got from a P2P network years ago which is "Anabolic Frolic - Eurolove" I held onto it because it's evocative of the scene you guys have with misinterpreting who made the tracks and reminds me of how you guys didn't really care about names you just kind of love the music for what it is which is what I used to be like too despite all the exposure hardcore has had here those will always be my happy hardcore roots even if I'm across the pond. Yes I am very obsessed with your rave scene lol I have folders of pics from the raves you had back in 97 and stuff :P
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