Lorenzo.Tweakn Advanced Member
United States
1,327 posts Joined: Apr, 2009
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 12:53:10
anything written by kesean beat, the guy is sincerely probably the most musically perfect producer in hardcore, his use of music theory and understanding on how to use it, its crazy.
Dain-Ja Advanced Member
Canada
1,983 posts Joined: Oct, 2004
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 13:37:18
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
I cant stand that makina tune, and i sincerly doubt it has ever had anything to do with htid..
It's not awful but I can rarely get over how poorly makina is produced. Thin leads, kick with no low end, bass sound too top heavy and stabby, not enough mid range throughout the driving aspects of the track, etc
It's like the defining aspect of makina is that it's poorly produced hardcore which consistently lacks certain elements.
I think there's a much better hardcore rip than that one.
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Luna-C Average Member
United Kingdom
222 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 16:32:31
My thoughts on production:
A well produced crap tune is still crap.
A badly produced great tune is still great.
The thing is, there have been many successful great tracks which are badly produced, but very few successful crap tunes, even if they are well produced.
So it is always more important to make a good tune in the first place, and worry about production afterwards.
On the other hand, great production comes from well thought out ideas and good quality samples etc etc, which you need to have before you make the track.
Even so, whatever way you look at it, the best tunes are great AND well produced!
Revs Advanced Member
Austria
2,584 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 18:35:32
Thanks Luna-C that's what I was trying to explain I guess the fact that English isn't my native language makes it perhaps a bit more complicated to understand what I mean, hehe.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 20:00:01
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
I have been listen to 90s stuff this year so it dosn't count. Sorry
I think you need to get into breakbeat hardcore more. Nothing wrong with staying in your era but if you wanna be surprised with new releases then it's good to be able to follow a scene that you enjoy. Wizbit is bringing back Lucky Breaks but with no 4 to the floor kicks this time, pure breakbeats. Also check out the whole hardcore breaks/nu skool breaks genre.
Can't help you with any hard kick driven stuff because I don't have a clue about that, I just know how boring it can be when you have no new releases to look forward to because various genres seem boring at their current state!
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 20:07:30
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
My thoughts on production:
A well produced crap tune is still crap.
A badly produced great tune is still great.
The thing is, there have been many successful great tracks which are badly produced, but very few successful crap tunes, even if they are well produced.
So it is always more important to make a good tune in the first place, and worry about production afterwards.
On the other hand, great production comes from well thought out ideas and good quality samples etc etc, which you need to have before you make the track.
Even so, whatever way you look at it, the best tunes are great AND well produced!
While you're about; something I heard DJ Pierre saying is that he believes that since production has been done digitally on computers the quality of music has gone down because too many people are 'listening' with their eyes more than their ears, he even says himself that he's guilty of it. What do you reckon?
Ionosphere Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,750 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 22:09:38
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
A well produced crap tune is still crap.
A badly produced great tune is still great.
Thank F*ck someone else has said it. There are far too many music-less, soul-less, talentless wanna-be twonks knocking out 'Hardcore' atm....
....and far too many people saying they like it ffs. There'll always be a 'difference of opinion' but these are more a case of 'the Emperor's new clothes'.
I could be wrong.
As for 'Tune of the year' - Entity, CLSM and Lawlzy - Lost In Time.
....oh yeh, if it was 2010 and not 2009, Darwin & Entity - I Know Where I Stand. Absolutely superb.
Alert moderatorEdited by - Ionosphere on 2010/12/27 22:22:34
Quicksilver Advanced Member
Sweden
2,545 posts Joined: Jul, 2007
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 23:22:42
Only tunes released in or first appearing on album in 2010 then?
01. Brisk & Darwin - Let's Live Forever
then in no particular order:
02. Marc Smith & Re-Con - Stomp (Marc Smith & Darwin Harder Mix)
03. Kevin Energy & Ephexis - Reality Control
04. Geos Crew Feat. Scandal - Love Infected (Darwin Remix)
05. Brisk & Fracus - Clear Blue Skies
06. Entity & CLSM Feat. Lawlzy - Lost In Time
07. Firefarm - Volatile (DJ Rx, Big Mistake & Drumhead Remix) (Not really hardcore but appears on COH5!)
08. Ephexis - Sick Seduction
09. Brisk & Ham - Fire & Flames
10. Lost Soul - Beyond Salvation
Also I'm torn if I can choose I Know Where I Stand, then that tune's in that list too.
Luna-C Average Member
United Kingdom
222 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2010/12/28 : 02:21:00
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
My thoughts on production:
A well produced crap tune is still crap.
A badly produced great tune is still great.
The thing is, there have been many successful great tracks which are badly produced, but very few successful crap tunes, even if they are well produced.
So it is always more important to make a good tune in the first place, and worry about production afterwards.
On the other hand, great production comes from well thought out ideas and good quality samples etc etc, which you need to have before you make the track.
Even so, whatever way you look at it, the best tunes are great AND well produced!
While you're about; something I heard DJ Pierre saying is that he believes that since production has been done digitally on computers the quality of music has gone down because too many people are 'listening' with their eyes more than their ears, he even says himself that he's guilty of it. What do you reckon?
Well, I don't really know. Because I am so very very old, I tend to rely on my ears more than visuals - back in the day you didnt have the choice lol - but I have been delving into the newer techniques recently, and there is something to be said for analysis and actually being able to "see" frequency etc etc. I understand where he is coming from, but I would say the problem isn't that people are listening with their eyes as much as the fact that everyone is using the same eyes, if you see what I mean.
If we all use the same equipment and the same plug ins and sample packs, and we all make sure every frequency is "correct", we end up with a very uniform sound, which while technically correct is utterly boring.
I am struggling right now to bring my own sound up to date, without losing what makes my music sound like me.
I don't have an answer tho - perhaps there isn't one? All I know is that it is better to make music that is true to yourself even if everyone hates it, than it is to follow the rules and make the same as everyone else.
Ionosphere Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,750 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2010/12/28 : 02:37:25
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
All I know is that it is better to make music that is true to yourself even if everyone hates it, than it is to follow the rules and make the same as everyone else.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/12/28 : 02:46:30
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
My thoughts on production:
A well produced crap tune is still crap.
A badly produced great tune is still great.
The thing is, there have been many successful great tracks which are badly produced, but very few successful crap tunes, even if they are well produced.
So it is always more important to make a good tune in the first place, and worry about production afterwards.
On the other hand, great production comes from well thought out ideas and good quality samples etc etc, which you need to have before you make the track.
Even so, whatever way you look at it, the best tunes are great AND well produced!
While you're about; something I heard DJ Pierre saying is that he believes that since production has been done digitally on computers the quality of music has gone down because too many people are 'listening' with their eyes more than their ears, he even says himself that he's guilty of it. What do you reckon?
Well, I don't really know. Because I am so very very old, I tend to rely on my ears more than visuals - back in the day you didnt have the choice lol - but I have been delving into the newer techniques recently, and there is something to be said for analysis and actually being able to "see" frequency etc etc. I understand where he is coming from, but I would say the problem isn't that people are listening with their eyes as much as the fact that everyone is using the same eyes, if you see what I mean.
If we all use the same equipment and the same plug ins and sample packs, and we all make sure every frequency is "correct", we end up with a very uniform sound, which while technically correct is utterly boring.
I am struggling right now to bring my own sound up to date, without losing what makes my music sound like me.
I don't have an answer tho - perhaps there isn't one? All I know is that it is better to make music that is true to yourself even if everyone hates it, than it is to follow the rules and make the same as everyone else.
No probs, there wasn't any kind of right answer, I just wondered what you thought of it. I do agree though. Maybe not the best example but while clean pianos sound very professional and modern, when they're just slightly off key they tend to be far more interesting and earcatching.
Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2010/12/28 : 10:18:26
quote:Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
All I know is that it is better to make music that is true to yourself even if everyone hates it, than it is to follow the rules and make the same as everyone else.
10/10. Top man.
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This is exactly why I said Luna-C is the best person to post on this forum. Always very insightful and knowledgeable replies. It's always nice to get opinions from the pro's rather than opinions from people who "think" they know it all but infact know very little in reality (naming no names - and no it's not a dig at Iono ).
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Posted - 2010/12/27 : 03:53:34
Posted - 2010/12/27 : 16:32:31
I guess the fact that English isn't my native language makes it perhaps a bit more complicated to understand what I mean, hehe.
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