whispering Moderator
Finland
8,453 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2010/01/12 : 07:25:25
quote:Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
I had a nice interesting conversation with one of my friends today that moved from Romania. And the Muslims there killed a Christian on the day of Christmas on the old calender, because he said the world for "God" as you know what it is in Muslim.
I actually like "dramatic" music used. But yea, when no sources for the figures are given, its not that trustworthy video. But i dont base my ideas on youtube videos :p
But as far as UK fertility rate goes, that video compares "native" british people to immigrants. So 1st and 2nd generation British muslims are counted to it. e.g. that statistic site says:
"There was a continued rise in the proportion of births to mothers born outside the UK: 24 per cent in 2008 compared with 23 per cent in 2007. In 1998, 14 per cent of births were to non-UK born mothers."
Alert moderatorEdited by - whispering on 2010/01/12 07:30:36
Craigavon raver Advanced Member
Ireland
2,226 posts Joined: Sep, 2007
Posted - 2010/01/12 : 19:00:51
all aload of ******** imo
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,637 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2010/01/12 : 19:32:19
indeed it is, i havent bothered looking for the book that its trying to sell, did it say in there? i didnt bother watching all of it!
whispering Moderator
Finland
8,453 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2010/01/12 : 22:03:22
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
indeed it is, i havent bothered looking for the book that its trying to sell, did it say in there? i didnt bother watching all of it!
For the last time, its not about the video, i dont know if he wrote a book, i dont care. Overlook the specific statistics, but the trend is common knowledge. You pour water on a glass, the water on the glass increases. Its the effects i'm trying to discuss here, are they going to happen as rapidly? are the effects (going to be) good, are they bad? Do you have any interest what happens in your country? In European Union?
quote:Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
Doesn't that video remind you of something?
So the Indians that were worried the Europeans would have a negative effect on their life were nazis? If you dont care about your countries future thats perfectly fine, but please dont start throwing the hitler card and thus killing the discussion i'm trying to make here.
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Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,637 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2010/01/12 : 23:11:54
do i care? yes.
Do i care to 'discuss' it on here at this very moment in time
no :D
*edit*
(but perhaps i will later ;)
i just got done watching "the curious case of benjamin button" and and still all warm and fuzzy from that )
*edit*
are you sure you dont take all your info from youtube vids? cause you're sounding pretty freaked out in the last post! :P
whispering Moderator
Finland
8,453 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2010/01/13 : 06:14:47
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
*edit*
are you sure you dont take all your info from youtube vids? cause you're sounding pretty freaked out in the last post! :P
I wasnt freaked i was pissed off, cause its virtually impossible to have even a semi serious discussion here. I will post you links for sources the minute you start taking the topic seriously.
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,637 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2010/01/13 : 08:32:34
can't guarantee that i'll start taking it completly seriously ;) i already said what i think about it..
im pretty sure i was the only one who made a light hearted comment..most of the others just didnt seem to think it was an issue either - are you just annoyed they had a different opinion?
i mean you're only just now looking for "other sources" for this information other than this video?
i bet there are thousands of things the vid hasnt taken into account
whispering Moderator
Finland
8,453 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2010/01/13 : 12:20:18
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
im pretty sure i was the only one who made a light hearted comment..most of the others just didnt seem to think it was an issue either - are you just annoyed they had a different opinion?
i mean you're only just now looking for "other sources" for this information other than this video?
I in no way want a dead serious discussion, i just wanted the latter, A discussion. So far the past page has been about semantics. If the video maker is a writer and other mostly irrelevant stuff, which is fine. But i didn't want semantics to be the discussion here. The videos point was to set the ball rolling, i chose to post a video, since people these days cant be bothered to read articles, apparently that was an over statement. That video was not and is not my source of information, if you would have challenged the idea of growing muslim population in Europe, i would have provided sources that differ with that ideal. However, i'm not going to have a discussion with myself. I don't need a forum for that.
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i bet there are thousands of things the vid hasnt taken into account
That kinda is the point of starting the discussion, to discuss this issue. Preferably on sides i wouldn't have thought myself. I have an opinion, but its not set in stone, it changes the more i learn. If i start a discussion, i prefer to not agree with everyone else, otherwise the discussion doesn't really have a purpose.
tl;dr:
Alert moderatorEdited by - whispering on 2010/01/13 12:23:49
Jay-Owen Advanced Member
Belgium
1,437 posts Joined: Aug, 2006
Posted - 2010/01/13 : 14:22:52
quote:Originally posted by whispering:
So the Indians that were worried the Europeans would have a negative effect on their life were nazis? If you dont care about your countries future thats perfectly fine, but please dont start throwing the hitler card and thus killing the discussion i'm trying to make here.
In order to not be missed, I have made the following sentences in a larger case. I wasn't saying that you lot were Nazis, I think that's a little far fetched. I was saying that the video is much like nazi propaganda.
I think that video is largely inspired by Hitler's policies of fear. If you aren't aware, this is how it goes:
1933: Hitler gets into power by hitting a spot most Germans were afraid of, which was the killing of the pure German bloodline. By multiplying and multiplying the jews would become a majority and the German or Aryan race would die out, and they would then control the country through their money making abilities. Hitler suggested to take the jews to work camps and then send them back to their own country. He then sent them to extermination camps and killed six million of them.
The video 'Muslim Demographics' is attempting to scare the Christian population by telling them that the Muslims are going to outnumber the current culture of Europe within the next 50 years, by multiplying and electing their men to power and changing the politics of the world in order to make the whole planet one giant Islamic Republic.
whispering Moderator
Finland
8,453 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2010/01/13 : 16:23:05
quote:Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
Doesn't it sound similar?
Except that its the Islamic view to get rid of all non-believers. Other then that, sure :P
Its not really getting rid of muslims, its controlling the immigration. Although if this continues, i do fear another "hitler" type of person will get into power and it just might lead to that scenario.
However that video is propaganda. But propaganda does not equal anything evil. Every country used, uses propaganda. I actually bought once a DVD of finnish news from the 1939, was interesting to see how the events were portraid at that time :p
Jay-Owen Advanced Member
Belgium
1,437 posts Joined: Aug, 2006
Posted - 2010/01/13 : 17:07:26
quote:Originally posted by whispering:
Except that its the Islamic view to get rid of all non-believers. Other then that, sure :P
I think it's a little ridiculous to assume that the Islamic view is genuinely to get rid of infadels.
That's just generalization. Besides, that's mostly in the Afganistan/Saudi area, when most of the Islamic immigration in Europe is from North Africa, India and Pakistan
whispering Moderator
Finland
8,453 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2010/01/13 : 17:34:53
quote:Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
I think it's a little ridiculous to assume that the Islamic view is genuinely to get rid of infadels.
That's just generalization. Besides, that's mostly in the Afganistan/Saudi area, when most of the Islamic immigration in Europe is from North Africa, India and Pakistan
Most of Islamization is funded by Saudi oil money. Pretty much all religions aim for world domination. Its just to what extent their willing to go to achieve that goal. However many (most?) immigrations came to Europe to escape totalitarian governments in the first place, so wouldn't know. But on the other hand just last week read on the newspaper that a finnish somali was worried on the influence what religious schools are doing to their children, cause apparently many parents are sending their kids to islamic countries to study qur'an.
Jay-Owen Advanced Member
Belgium
1,437 posts Joined: Aug, 2006
Posted - 2010/01/14 : 16:07:56
Don't you guys get Islam as an option in school?
In Belgium we get to choose between Morals (Non-religious), Catholic Religion, Protestant Religion, Islamic or Judaism (at least in the bigger school)
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