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Meathead
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 Posted - 2010/01/10 : 23:40:52
Not as much as Ninjas do.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 00:41:45
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
And the point I'm bringing up is:
You can't know for sure.
Everything we might think happen, could be the exact opposite of what might. If everything does change? Then I hope the right people step up and try to "correct" things in terms of freedoms. But, for all we know this might lay the roads for a better society.
aha aha aha bahahahaha.
Question: How does one "correct" things, when the person that changed them controls the army? I was recently talking to someone who used to be muslim and lived in a muslim country, who was saying that islam is a religion of violence, not peace. Every predisposition is violent, its their first resort. He gave an example from when he was in school, someone called him a christian. He started bashing the guy and fully intended on literally killing him, but teachers stopped him.
The problem is this. Islam is a violent religion, and all in all muslim countries I can think of (perhaps with the exception of indonesia) the church is controlled by the state (oh, and turkey, but leader of turkey is a puppet of the military and the military dont want religion of any form). This is a very dangerous position to be in as it means that the state can do anything it pleases and justify it to the people through the church. When the church is controlled by the state, freedom of speech is greatly reduced because freedom of religion is a key component of freedom of speech and removing one severely takes away from the other. Also, violence leads to violence. If you have a religion that glorifies violence, and a church controlled by the state, a violent man will rise to the top - as seen in many middle eastern countries. And once a dictator has set up his regime, its all over. It really is inevitable.
UAE and Indonesia have survived the whole islamic dictatorship thing because they are to western and influenced by western ideaologies - the prominent one being materialism. Indonesia has actually survived surprisingly well against the fundamental faction. They are the two most nominal muslim nations I can think of.
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I can't honestly think that somewhere in the background someone is making the Muslim population reproduce like they do so in the future they can rise as an army to destroy non-believers. Maybe in some areas, but in everywhere on the globe where the Islamic religion is growing? That's pushing it to the extreme.
Its not someone in the background pushing everyone to have kids for a takeover. It is simply a culture where people have many children as opposed to a culture where we put ourselves first and everything else second - that includes children. Children are seen all to commonly as a restriction of MY fun and MY freedom and involve RESPONSIBILITY, therefore a long way down the list of desirables.
Now for the sake of it, lets say this growth was restricted to muslim nations. So in general muslms pop them out much faster then western culture does, and then they go and seek residency in other nations. The result? A worldwide growing muslim population. And thats just assuming the advanced growth rate is limited to certain areas, but its not.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 00:45:08
and to answer the OP, I cant decide if it scares me or not. If it happened it would definitely scare me, but im somewhat doubtful that there will be a take over.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 01:58:14
The violence isn't stemmed from the Islamic faith though. It's from those teaching those children what to believe in while under the "cover" of the religion.
The same has been done with every religion.
In almost every major religion created, non-violence is within it's texts.
Can't blame the actual religion when it's again violence, but violence is taught against the official texts. Get what I mean? I'm just trying to stray away from Islam is BAD, when it's not. It's the people who follow it, and choose violence.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 02:27:17
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
The violence isn't stemmed from the Islamic faith though. It's from those teaching those children what to believe in while under the "cover" of the religion.
Can't blame the actual religion when it's again violence, but violence is taught against the official texts. Get what I mean? I'm just trying to stray away from Islam is BAD, when it's not. It's the people who follow it, and choose violence.
Err, no. Islam is fundamentally violent. It teaches violence. Violence is taught directly from the texts.
Do you actually know anything about religion in general? Because I feel like we have had similar discussions before.
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8D
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 02:27:58
the video is well made, shiny and scares me
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 06:15:12
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Can't blame the actual religion when it's again violence, but violence is taught against the official texts. Get what I mean? I'm just trying to stray away from Islam is BAD, when it's not. It's the people who follow it, and choose violence.
Actually qur'an is a literal word of god, meaning you cant wipe away parts you dont like (as with e.g. bible). Qur'an literally tells people its OK to kill non-muslims, and goes on to explane it at many parts. Where bible teaches you to show the other cheek, Islam teaches to hit again. Naturally there are more moderate then violent muslims, but the religion itself doesnt teach you that.
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Jay-Owen
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 06:37:55
I don't think it's to be worried about, considering that most European states are without religion. They're not Christian states, with the exception of the eastern states and the UK, so why would they become Muslim states?
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kathryn
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 09:24:40
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Originally posted by 8D:
Can this guy with the gun really shoot at the right targets with his funny eyes?
I bet all his friends take cover when he takes shots at whoever he is shooting.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 11:44:41
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Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
I don't think it's to be worried about, considering that most European states are without religion. They're not Christian states, with the exception of the eastern states and the UK, so why would they become Muslim states?
quite simple really, happens like this. A group of people move into or grow in a country. some of the people try for positions in politics and their own people back them. As the minority increases, they get more people to represent them as more people support them. With enough growth, the minority becomes a majority and policies that are sympathetic to the minority are introduced. before you know it you've got yourself a 'non-religious' religious government
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 12:19:05
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Originally posted by Lilley:
quite simple really, happens like this. A group of people move into or grow in a country. some of the people try for positions in politics and their own people back them. As the minority increases, they get more people to represent them as more people support them. With enough growth, the minority becomes a majority and policies that are sympathetic to the minority are introduced. before you know it you've got yourself a 'non-religious' religious government
Don't forget that their already demanding these laws. The only thing stopping is a matter of supporters, as their still a minority.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 12:43:05
conspiracy imo
i am automatically warey of ANY "factful" video that requires SPOOOOOOOKY music to help it along
i wouldnt be scared to say most the facts in that video are being misused or skewed just to OOOOO people who wont bother reading any futher
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=369
the fertility rate of the UK has been around 1.5 since 1970 (well over 25 years) and has risen 24% over the last 2 years
im not going to get into the politics of it like everyone else has - but i'm more likely to believe in planet x knocking at my front door or reptilians in govenment power than muslims "taking over"
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 18:10:46
in fact, i bet it's trying to sell a book! (like planet x was)
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 21:17:12
I had a nice interesting conversation with one of my friends today that moved from Romania. And the Muslims there killed a Christian on the day of Christmas on the old calender, because he said the world for "God" as you know what it is in Muslim.
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Posted - 2010/01/11 : 21:35:10
REALLY?!!!! OMG!!!!
the revolution has started!!!1
HIDE!!!!!
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