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DJ_FunDaBounce
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 Posted - 2009/06/02 : 02:58:47
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
"DJ on before you his track are loud, you wanna make sure youre tracks are loud"
Dont mixers in clubs come with gain knobs? lol even thats too challenging for today's Hardcore DJ is it?
its not about gains. You can have two tracks on identical gains and one can be significantly louder than the other because of the master.
I know that, so the quieter one turn its gain up. Simples. Ive bought many records that arent the same level, what i do is turn em up, is it really that big a deal? That much of a task, even for the "pros". I mean i know if a track is to be released it has to be mastered and what have you but if its just for playing out thats what all those little knobs and faders are there for on a mixer.
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Also, clubs tend to have gains rigged so you cant **** up the set up and so it sounds like the people who set it up meant it to sound like.
Also, gains are usually pretty high anyway considering at a club or a rave you're meant to be playing music LOUD lol
So every track is into the "red"? So every track is distoted coming out of the mixer, then played through a massive system? That must sound like shit. Surely they'd adjust the volume on the system before turning the gain on the mixer up full?
Even a "home made master" (as I call 'em) makes a huge difference when your mixing it compared to a non-processed track.
The point Breeze n Styles were trying to make was that a test master helps in defining the final sound of the track.
been there, tried it, I'm a believer.
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 03:20:54
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Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
"DJ on before you his track are loud, you wanna make sure youre tracks are loud"
Dont mixers in clubs come with gain knobs? lol even thats too challenging for today's Hardcore DJ is it?
its not about gains. You can have two tracks on identical gains and one can be significantly louder than the other because of the master.
I know that, so the quieter one turn its gain up. Simples. Ive bought many records that arent the same level, what i do is turn em up, is it really that big a deal? That much of a task, even for the "pros". I mean i know if a track is to be released it has to be mastered and what have you but if its just for playing out thats what all those little knobs and faders are there for on a mixer.
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Also, clubs tend to have gains rigged so you cant **** up the set up and so it sounds like the people who set it up meant it to sound like.
Also, gains are usually pretty high anyway considering at a club or a rave you're meant to be playing music LOUD lol
So every track is into the "red"? So every track is distoted coming out of the mixer, then played through a massive system? That must sound like shit. Surely they'd adjust the volume on the system before turning the gain on the mixer up full?
Even a "home made master" (as I call 'em) makes a huge difference when your mixing it compared to a non-processed track.
The point Breeze n Styles were trying to make was that a test master helps in defining the final sound of the track.
been there, tried it, I'm a believer.
That's about the only thing I already knew about this subject, you're very right. Some friends of mine are into making their own stuff, and I've heard of that.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 19:21:05
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
"DJ on before you his track are loud, you wanna make sure youre tracks are loud"
Dont mixers in clubs come with gain knobs? lol even thats too challenging for today's Hardcore DJ is it?
its not about gains. You can have two tracks on identical gains and one can be significantly louder than the other because of the master.
I know that, so the quieter one turn its gain up. Simples. Ive bought many records that arent the same level, what i do is turn em up, is it really that big a deal? That much of a task, even for the "pros". I mean i know if a track is to be released it has to be mastered and what have you but if its just for playing out thats what all those little knobs and faders are there for on a mixer.
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Also, clubs tend to have gains rigged so you cant **** up the set up and so it sounds like the people who set it up meant it to sound like.
Also, gains are usually pretty high anyway considering at a club or a rave you're meant to be playing music LOUD lol
So every track is into the "red"? So every track is distoted coming out of the mixer, then played through a massive system? That must sound like shit. Surely they'd adjust the volume on the system before turning the gain on the mixer up full?
What? Where did i say anything about reds?
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/06/02 : 19:43:17
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
"DJ on before you his track are loud, you wanna make sure youre tracks are loud"
Dont mixers in clubs come with gain knobs? lol even thats too challenging for today's Hardcore DJ is it?
its not about gains. You can have two tracks on identical gains and one can be significantly louder than the other because of the master.
I know that, so the quieter one turn its gain up. Simples. Ive bought many records that arent the same level, what i do is turn em up, is it really that big a deal? That much of a task, even for the "pros". I mean i know if a track is to be released it has to be mastered and what have you but if its just for playing out thats what all those little knobs and faders are there for on a mixer.
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Also, clubs tend to have gains rigged so you cant **** up the set up and so it sounds like the people who set it up meant it to sound like.
Also, gains are usually pretty high anyway considering at a club or a rave you're meant to be playing music LOUD lol
So every track is into the "red"? So every track is distoted coming out of the mixer, then played through a massive system? That must sound like shit. Surely they'd adjust the volume on the system before turning the gain on the mixer up full?
What? Where did i say anything about reds?
Fair enough you didnt. I must have just assumed that's what you meant by "gains are usually pretty high". I was mistaken. But it still seems like a daft idea to have them anywhere near the red.
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frozt
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 00:06:30
So what are all the programs and vsts they are using called?
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Lorenzo.Tweakn
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 00:19:19
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So what are all the programs and vsts they are using called?
breeze lists all the stuff he uses to produce here in the studio section http://www.djbreeze.co.uk/
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frozt
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 00:19:56
awesome thank you very much
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Lorenzo.Tweakn
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 00:22:21
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awesome thank you very much
no problem
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 00:33:56
do you know the drum program they are using?
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Lorenzo.Tweakn
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 01:13:37
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do you know the drum program they are using?
no sorry....
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frozt
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 02:08:16
Hmm.. alrighty.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 12:05:53
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Hmm.. alrighty.
The drum program? Do you mean the DAW/sequencer or sampler? In the video he is using Cubase, SX i believe which has now been upgraded to 5. From the list on hios website the sampler he uses is Native Instruments Kontakt.
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frozt
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 21:17:32
Well nevermind, I'll figure out my own sounds
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2009/06/03 : 23:53:50
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Originally posted by Lorenzo.Tweakn:
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Originally posted by frozt:
do you know the drum program they are using?
no sorry....
for the drums the clearly stated to be using the Vengeance sample packs (could be any sampler) and some of the presets in nexus.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2009/06/04 : 09:48:16
Meathead - The whole loud mix thing doesn’t quite work like that.
With a well mixed and mastered track you will have gotten rid of as many nasty peaks as possible. If you have a giant peak/giant peaks anywhere on the frequency range this will bring up the volume of the mix by large amounts meaning the rest of the track will sound very quiet. The more you can flatten these peaks, the more you can bring up all the other sounds in the mix.
Now I'm sure you already know all this but... Take your track with its massive peaks and play it on a sound system and you will suffer the same problem. Sure, you can turn the gain up, but you can only turn it up so much. To get the perceived loudness of your track up to that of a well mixed/mastered track you will likely blow the speakers producing the frequency peaks in your track. Either that or the system will have some form of limiter on it that stops you from getting to that point. It can also be bad for peoples hearing.
As well as all this you want to get every part of the track really loud for maximum impact right the way through. You don't want a nice loud intro tailing off into a quiet breakdown as this will really lose everyone on the dancefloor. Everything needs to be loud, loud, loud!
To get the loudest mix possible you will obviously take a hit on dynamic range so it doesn’t always make for great home listening. But in a club environment, it is definitely what you want.
Hope this clears it up a little? I’m not the best person to be explaining this but I believe what I’ve said is correct (maybe badly explained though ;)).
I prefer the CLSM interview, much more in-depth. This one is worth the watch though.
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