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Meathead
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 Posted - 2009/06/01 : 14:47:35
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i picked up a few tips
Dont pan your kicks, thats nonesense. Other than im sure the video is quite helpful.
Bit of useless (sort of) info. One of the guys behind the Vengeance sample CDs is also the producer for Cascada aka Manian. Another reson why i will never use VEC.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 15:22:00
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i personally think the song sucks...
its an old song too, and making a video for it wll be a waste of cash.
What relevance does age have? A song isn't good because of how new it it is....
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 15:47:54
"DJ on before you his track are loud, you wanna make sure youre tracks are loud"
Dont mixers in clubs come with gain knobs? lol even thats too challenging for today's Hardcore DJ is it?
Im just wondering now how many times i heard the words Nexus or Vengeance mentioned. If i remember correctly there was only 1 layer of the lead done using Sylenth all the other elements were Nexus or Vengeance, ****s sake. No wonder everything sounds the same in Hardcore now. "its quite a generic arrangement, but it works" ****ing change it. When did producers take on this mentality of that'll do? This isnt just a pop at Breeze & Styles (theyre only part of the problem) but everyone who has this mentality. Why?
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Fishy
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 16:03:06
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
i personally think the song sucks...
its an old song too, and making a video for it wll be a waste of cash.
What relevance does age have? A song isn't good because of how new it it is....
It still sucks tho.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 16:18:29
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1 layer of the lead done using Sylenth all the other elements were Nexus or Vengeance, ****s sake. No wonder everything sounds the same in Hardcore now. "its quite a generic arrangement, but it works" ****ing change it. When did producers take on this mentality of that'll do? This isnt just a pop at Breeze & Styles (theyre only part of the problem) but everyone who has this mentality.
Well said.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 16:19:34
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Originally posted by Fishy:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
i personally think the song sucks...
its an old song too, and making a video for it wll be a waste of cash.
What relevance does age have? A song isn't good because of how new it it is....
It still sucks tho.
yeah, and also, if i have heard a song more times because its been out for longer, i'll enjoy it less each time.
i would have thought you, hard2get, could have even worked that out...
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 16:35:47
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
i personally think the song sucks...
its an old song too, and making a video for it wll be a waste of cash.
What relevance does age have? A song isn't good because of how new it it is....
It still sucks tho.
yeah, and also, if i have heard a song more times because its been out for longer, i'll enjoy it less each time.
i would have thought you, hard2get, could have even worked that out...
Well it dosn't work like that for me, i still listen to Hardcore as far back as 1993 and i still love it as much as i ever did!
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 16:46:19
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
i personally think the song sucks...
its an old song too, and making a video for it wll be a waste of cash.
What relevance does age have? A song isn't good because of how new it it is....
It still sucks tho.
yeah, and also, if i have heard a song more times because its been out for longer, i'll enjoy it less each time.
i would have thought you, hard2get, could have even worked that out...
Well it dosn't work like that for me, i still listen to Hardcore as far back as 1993 and i still love it as much as i ever did!
why do you think that I wrote 'personally' in my original post then? i know it doesnt work like that for everyone, but i can do for me.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 16:54:45
You said you personally think it sucks. You saying it old was a seperate comment :P
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 18:11:15
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You said you personally think it sucks. You saying it old was a seperate comment :P
The entire post was an opinion of mine. It doesnt endorse the truth one bit, so why your still continuing this debate, I'll never know...
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 18:21:31
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
You said you personally think it sucks. You saying it old was a seperate comment :P
The entire post was an opinion of mine. It doesnt endorse the truth one bit, so why your still continuing this debate, I'll never know...
The way it was worded though it seemed to me like you were saying it sucked and then it was old as an additional fact, not a cause for your dislike, so i can see where Hard2Get is coming from tbh.
The song is pure wank though. But this video isnt supposed to be a music video its an interview and intended to show people how they work in the studio (may aswell save themselves the trouble and posted a link to Vengeance and Nexus websites  ), they do these for loads of producers, every month i think. Amigos was probably their newest tune at the time the video was made, which was a while ago.
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 20:17:15
This video is all fine and dandy for showing off breeze and styles components to their songs, but it really will NOT help you write music. Knowing music theory from learning to play instruments and basic drum knowledge are really the most important parts of writing tracks. If you can write something that sounds really really REALLY good, you can always get an engineer to master it for you and you won't have to do any of the things in this video. Also, nexus is the biggest rip off ever. It's just a sampler with FX, which any sequencer program will come with anyway.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 20:39:23
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
You said you personally think it sucks. You saying it old was a seperate comment :P
The entire post was an opinion of mine. It doesnt endorse the truth one bit, so why your still continuing this debate, I'll never know...
The way it was worded though it seemed to me like you were saying it sucked and then it was old as an additional fact, not a cause for your dislike, so i can see where Hard2Get is coming from tbh.
Indeed, it was clearly worded as a statement not an opinion. I don't really give a shit, but you were wondering why i thought you meant something you didn't, and that is why :P
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 22:31:41
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"DJ on before you his track are loud, you wanna make sure youre tracks are loud"
Dont mixers in clubs come with gain knobs? lol even thats too challenging for today's Hardcore DJ is it?
its not about gains. You can have two tracks on identical gains and one can be significantly louder than the other because of the master.
Also, clubs tend to have gains rigged so you cant **** up the set up and so it sounds like the people who set it up meant it to sound like.
Also, gains are usually pretty high anyway considering at a club or a rave you're meant to be playing music LOUD lol
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Posted - 2009/06/01 : 23:21:30
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
"DJ on before you his track are loud, you wanna make sure youre tracks are loud"
Dont mixers in clubs come with gain knobs? lol even thats too challenging for today's Hardcore DJ is it?
its not about gains. You can have two tracks on identical gains and one can be significantly louder than the other because of the master.
I know that, so the quieter one turn its gain up. Simples. Ive bought many records that arent the same level, what i do is turn em up, is it really that big a deal? That much of a task, even for the "pros". I mean i know if a track is to be released it has to be mastered and what have you but if its just for playing out thats what all those little knobs and faders are there for on a mixer.
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Also, clubs tend to have gains rigged so you cant **** up the set up and so it sounds like the people who set it up meant it to sound like.
Also, gains are usually pretty high anyway considering at a club or a rave you're meant to be playing music LOUD lol
So every track is into the "red"? So every track is distoted coming out of the mixer, then played through a massive system? That must sound like shit. Surely they'd adjust the volume on the system before turning the gain on the mixer up full?
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