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ihaveduff
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 Posted - 2006/06/26 : 15:18:39
OMG what is with the stigma surrounding raving and hardcore music in general?!?!?!
i was just talking to a couple of friends about Utopia (can't wait!) and they all start blasting me for being a druggie and that raves are drug dens where EVERYONE gets off their chops on their drug of choice all the time, and then they
"go home and shoot up"
i must say that i have to blame the media (here in australia anyway) that constantly portray the bad side of raves to the public, which spreads a huge stigma around.
now to me raves are the equivilant to a concert. I go for the love of music, the lasers, the atmosphere, the love/hate mc's, the glowsticks, the dancing... Whats the difference between someone like Sy or Gammer playing a live set at a rave, and someone like the chilli peppers playing a live set at a concert? And yes, people do do drugs at concerts, you just don't hear about it as often.
now i understand that there are people who take drugs at raves, (myself on one or two occasions included), but how many are full blown drug addicts?? i'd definately say the minority.
*ok vent over*
sorry, i just had to get that off my chest... please don't hurt me
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Spoone
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 Posted - 2006/06/26 : 15:22:03
I beleive rock concerts had the same stigma 30/40 years ago, of being full of drugs and corrupters of youth and etc..
sadly its just a media scapegoat.
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PsychoticRaver
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Posted - 2006/06/26 : 15:38:29
I know exactly where you are coming from.
People think because i'm into the rave scene, i am a druggy.
I go to a rave and drink. That's it. I've never tried anything harder than weed, and i rarely smoke that.
I go to a rave for the music, the atmosphere, i just love the scene. Raves are amazing.
As you said about concerts, yes... you go to a metal concert, or rock and roll, there's shit loads of people off their tits on E's, Ketamine, Bass... you name it. But for someone, it's the ravers who get victimised as being drug addicts. It's rubbish.
Any music scene there is, there are people who take drugs, to enjoy the music, or enhance it. I don't need drugs to enjoy the music, i just generally love it.
People should stop stereotyping us ravers.
Some people think hardcore is fight music. What the hell? No way. Raves are the happiest, friendliest events you can go to. Everyone's happy, and nice towards the fellow ravers. Ok, some are drug enduced, but so what? Like i said, every scene does them. When i go to a rave, i will meet new people, have a stomp with them and sometimes become mates with them.
Now, if you are at a rave and you accidentaly bump into someone, it's "Sorry mate." "No problem." and that's it. You probably stop and have a chat and start stomping.
You go to another place, pub/club or whatever, bump into someone, and it's full scale riot, lol.
Some people just know nothing about us ravers. :).
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2006/06/26 : 15:57:56
End of the day it's just a silly stereotype that people who don't attend raves think is accurate. Do you really give a shit what mr x thinks of what you get up to in your spare time? I don't.
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PsychoticRaver
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Posted - 2006/06/26 : 16:04:22
Sometime's i will just tell that person that i don't do drugs, and don't need to, and they'll say "Fair enough." or something.
If people say "Raves are shit." then whatever, but if people start really stereotyping and slagging me off because of what i like, then i'll say something back.
Everyone's got their own opinion about everything, but sometime's it goes a bit to far with stereotyping every individual in the rave scene.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2006/06/26 : 16:12:24
Stereotyping is not just confinded to the rave culture or music, it's everywhere. Like bulby_g says, who cares? Providing it doesn't effect your family, friends or work life, then let them stereotype away. It matters not.
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PsychoticRaver
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Posted - 2006/06/26 : 16:21:22
I know it doesn't matter, but it just get's to me sometimes. :).
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Spoone
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Posted - 2006/06/26 : 16:28:16
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Originally posted by PsychoticRaver:
I know it doesn't matter, but it just get's to me sometimes. :).
dont let the man get you down.
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ihaveduff
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Posted - 2006/06/27 : 00:17:22
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Originally posted by Mortis:
Stereotyping is not just confinded to the rave culture or music, it's everywhere. Like bulby_g says, who cares? Providing it doesn't effect your family, friends or work life, then let them stereotype away. It matters not.
aye very true, unfortunately... it really got to me because it was my closest friends who i respect the most out of anyone... bah, still gonna have a massive time!!
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Kyle_Buffrey
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Posted - 2006/06/27 : 01:14:25
What I don't understand is the fears of the public related to drug use. Fair enough, I don't really do much drugs no more, only do the occassional bit of chang nowadays, but the way people have such hatred towards drug use I don't really know. Yes it can harm you, but that's often in the case of pills, for example, the only person that it is harming. Let them have their fun, if they are using drugs, so what?. In my eyes, it's only as bad as people (legally too) getting stupidly drunk just for the sake of it. Just a different method of doing things.
I think alot of the hatred towards drug use at raves, is that it provokes not so masculine behaviour that is not accepted by those brought up according to old-fashioned values, such as people actually accepting apologies for small accidents, not feeling the need to show off by smacking whoever stood on their foot, dancing around & not really caring about they look like in the eyes of other people, hugging random strangers, chatting about random bollocks, and being really open about everything....
Inbreds and the Ignorant prehaps view this kind of behaviour as homosexual and therefore a threat to their idea of society, which relies heavily upon breeding. The ravers typical night out is not based upon breeding. Dancing around at a rave is based upon enjoying the music and being friendly towards everyone, as oppposed to the inbreds ideas of strutting around like a peacock wearing a ben sherman shirt trying to attract a mate & fighting off rival competitors, to the backdrop of rnb music, that you probably aren't even paying attention to, flashing off your 'bling' whilst drinking cheap alcopops or watered down lager at the same time.
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lucificifus
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Posted - 2006/06/27 : 01:34:41
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle_Buffrey:
chang
 I have no idea what chang is...
But the rest of your point is quite valid. One of the things I'd like to get at is that there would be no scene in any scene without people ruining the scene.
94% of any scene is made up of people that ruin the scene.
Just fyi....
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iluvhrdcor
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Posted - 2006/06/27 : 07:25:19
yeah i agree, us ravers down here have a "no good, drug takers" look apon us, even though its no different to any concert. trust me most people i know who preferre to go to a concert to a rave still take drugs no matter what, but it don't make all of us to shoot up!!! my sister is a diabetic and lives off a needle so many times a day and i hate anyone who uses needles for fun to get high.
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FriedRice
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Posted - 2006/06/27 : 10:45:00
Gotta agree with ya here, i have been referred to as "speedy" by the people i used to go to school with because i rave....Eventually you find out who ya true friends are and whos opinion to actually care about
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Chris Goldfinger
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Posted - 2006/06/27 : 11:11:21
really who gives a fu*k what others think!!
everytime i'm going out be it to a rave, nightclub or concert you can bet that i've either just dropped a few pills or snorted a few lines, and i will continue to do so untill i feel i've had enough not when some little knob jockey starts bad mouthing me be calling me a druggie or whatever
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Spoone
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Posted - 2006/06/27 : 12:14:59
quote:
Originally posted by lucificifus:
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle_Buffrey:
chang
I have no idea what chang is...
[IMG]http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3668/chocolatefactory5mb.gif]
that answer your question ;)
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Mortis
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Posted - 2006/06/27 : 12:25:32
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle_Buffrey:
What I don't understand is the fears of the public related to drug use. Fair enough, I don't really do much drugs no more, only do the occassional bit of chang nowadays, but the way people have such hatred towards drug use I don't really know. Yes it can harm you, but that's often in the case of pills, for example, the only person that it is harming.
You are kidding right?
You don't understand the fear surrounding drugs? You think drugs only harm the user (pills I mean)?
Let me tell you, drugs are evil. Plain and simple evil. Every kind of illegal drug & alcohol too, destroys people's lifes. Not only the person using it, but it destroy's family's, friendships, work life, it puts everyone around the user under so much preassure that they can no longer handle the abuser's addiction. Half the time the only one who comes out looking sort of like the best in the situation is the user itself.
My family was ripped apart by drug abuse, the toll it took on my mum can still be seen today, and it wasn't her who was using. It's ripped through our family leaving no prisoners atall. Sure the drug was more than "just pills", but I've seen what those little bastards can do aswell....first hand.
Someone I know very well has had their family ripped apart by alcohol, with very similar effects to what happend to my mine.
If you don't understand the "fears" of drugs, then you need to get educated about them. I don't mean to sound harsh, but the first few lines of your post comes accross very ignorant.
Rant over, return to normal status.
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