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Hardcore 2020 - Return or not?

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Samination
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Posted - 2020/04/27 :  08:56:04  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage  Reply with quote
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some Impact freeform from before you left would be nice :)

Also, don't listen to Guest. He's just a loony from USH



its all you that are loons and living in the dark age, most people who used to post on here make hardstyle, it has alot more events in the uk, and be why darren styles started doing hardstyle

the same as alot of people still play on kniteforce.fm or whatever




Most people? I onl know of 3 that has gone to make hardstyle, and two of them made a career out of it while on just made it for a bit of fun.

The rest? They went even further back and make 90-95 styled hardcore/breakbeat hardcore


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Guest
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Posted - 2020/04/27 :  09:52:22  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Guest's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Guest:
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Originally posted by Samination:
some Impact freeform from before you left would be nice :)

Also, don't listen to Guest. He's just a loony from USH



its all you that are loons and living in the dark age, most people who used to post on here make hardstyle, it has alot more events in the uk, and be why darren styles started doing hardstyle

the same as alot of people still play on kniteforce.fm or whatever




Most people? I onl know of 3 that has gone to make hardstyle, and two of them made a career out of it while on just made it for a bit of fun.

The rest? They went even further back and make 90-95 styled hardcore/breakbeat hardcore



you should pay more attention to the 100s of hardstyle event's on skiddle most year's have scattered around the uk https://www.skiddle.com/whats-on/popular-events.php?g=18

uk hardcore has 10 a year


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Anon.
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Posted - 2020/04/27 :  11:39:39  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Anon.'s homepage  Reply with quote
Darren styles only jumped on the hardstyle bandwagon because its the big thing just now.





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Torpex
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Posted - 2020/04/27 :  13:02:32  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Torpex's homepage  Reply with quote
Hi Impact, you made some of the most iconic and memorable UKhc tracks of all time. Thanks for that. :)

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Originally posted by Impact:
This isn't about making money (never was), and would purely because of love/ passion, because hardcore is in me, it?s part of me, and will always be part of me!

Then just make (and upload) some. :) Good luck!


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Vladel
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Posted - 2020/04/27 :  13:47:58  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Vladel's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by Mickey Init:
Would be great if you could put some new stuff out as well as re-release Infexious Audio.
One idea might be to team up with Hardcore Underground to make it happen. That way we could perhaps get a Fracus & Darwin remix of Someday.



They would **** that up so badly


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AWal
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Posted - 2020/04/27 :  19:04:30  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit AWal's homepage  Reply with quote
There's a name I though I'd never hear from again.

I hadn't even done a gig and was still popping my UKHC cherry back in 08.

From a money perspective, things have changed considerably. Streaming is the way to go eventually (for the masses that use it), but you'll want to keep with distribution, or at least self-publish digital tracks to cover all bases.
Some groups and individuals are using direct sales systems for this, but if you can't be arsed with that, there's this fantastic website called BandCamp now that allows artists to directly sell to fans for a 70/30 split, but you set the price (...or you can put it up for free).

Hardcore is strange in 2020:
Vinyl is a niche thing now, not an expectation.
Thanks to other countries taking interest the more modern sounds we have returned to the term Happy Hardcore to refer to the style. Take that as you will...
We have peeps introducing elements from other harder styles into the mix, some of it works well, some of it just doesn't...
...Then we have other peeps trying to blur the already thin lines between Hard Dance and Happy Hardcore.

If you wanted to continue to produce songs the same way you always had you'd still do well, as many still take interest in the style, but using modern techniques could also be a good thing...Really, one would have to try these things to see if they work.

A comeback would be welcome with open arms, I'd assume, but you'll have to promise us to square away for the things that have been lost to time. I'd kill for an Infexious Audio re-issue though BandCamp, twice.


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trippnface
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Posted - 2020/04/27 :  20:31:00  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit trippnface's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Impact:
Hi All - Been a while...

It?s been over 10 years since I retired from the hardcore scene, and many on this forum won?t remember me.
For those that do - I?ve been contemplating Producing Hardcore again, but honestly...I have no idea of the state of the scene currently. Are there still hardcore events? Is there even still a following? Questions I?d hope you?d help me answer...

For context: I left the hardcore scene in 2008 to pursue other ventures. I?ve been successful in those other ventures, but no matter what I think about next - it always brings me back to hardcore. This isn't about making money (never was), and would purely because of love/ passion, because hardcore is in me, it?s part of me, and will always be part of me!

So...my questions for you all are:
1. Is there still a market?
2. What is hardcore in 2020?
3. What would you like Hardcore to be/ sound like? (most important)
4. Would you welcome a comeback?

Open to all feedback, positive and negative - I?ve had my share of both

Thanks!
Rory (Impact)



brooo!!! aren't you in LA? Hardcore parties still go in in LA and SF, HTID USA doing work.

I will never forget til the last beat drops i think 2010 you played, dream come true. Impact & resist productions some of my favorite ever to this day.

1) def still a market. Not as big as previously, but tons of people still waiting for solid hardcore feels in a really stagnant scene. Look how successful Kevin energy was with his recent kickstarter. fans are there, people are willing. Proper marketing & advertising is key.

2) most "popular" hardcore produced in the modern style is very lacking. it's been slowed down, uses too many hardstyle influences, massive loss in euphoric energy. HU & 24/7 hardcore still put out some great tracks, tracks that still make my uk hardcore tingles go off. Al Storm, UFO, bananaman, stompy, etc, they are still making bangers.

3) I'm not going to tell you what your hardcore should sound like, but your productions were always ace ****ing on point, i'd be very keen to see what you can come up with now, or some of the collabs you could pull with the current 24/7 crew. your mix on hardcore tunez 3 is my favorite hardcore mix ever. here are some of my current favorite productions :

https://soundcloud.com/hardcoreunderground/maxi-malone-sky-high-preview-clip

https://soundcloud.com/hardcoreunderground/entity-for-your-love-out-now

https://247hardcore.bandcamp.com/album/stand-by-you-together-again

4) I think any hardcore fan would be ecstatic to have you back dude, there is a resurgence for sure, the energy in the USA at a hardcore party is still ****ing top.

BRING IT!!!!!!



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Guest
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Posted - 2020/04/28 :  21:28:16  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Guest's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Anon.:
Darren styles only jumped on the hardstyle bandwagon because its the big thing just now.





cos it aint full of nerds and students, make all the sissies of drum & bass cry





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Edited by - Guest on 2020/04/28 21:31:37
Elys1um
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Posted - 2020/04/29 :  11:16:45  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Elys1um's homepage  Reply with quote
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brooo!!! aren't you in LA? Hardcore parties still go in in LA and SF, HTID USA doing work.


Yup, events at DNA Lounge in SF still keep it alive, also the UG scene in LA, Sacramento, Oakland... great stuff!


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fafaforza
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Posted - 2020/04/30 :  17:51:58  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit fafaforza's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest:
quote:
Originally posted by Anon.:
Darren styles only jumped on the hardstyle bandwagon because its the big thing just now.





cos it aint full of nerds and students, make all the sissies of drum & bass cry




I'm genuinely curious what those two clips were meant to show, because I don't see very many happy and friendly faces, and not much in the form of actual music.

And did I get this right? Your contention is that "moving out of the stone ages" is to listen to what all the crowds are listening to? So does that mean you're a diehard Taylor Swift fan? Beyonc?? Kind of a ridiculous thing to tell hardcore fans, to go listen to what's popular, and dare I say, going mainstream.

You seem pretty down on Hardcore, and you're offering nothing but moans and complaints to someone looking to contribute something.

So you don't like the music, and have no interest in seeing it improve, so why are you even on this forum?


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Guest
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Posted - 2020/05/01 :  08:07:34  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Guest's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by fafaforza:
quote:
Originally posted by Guest:
quote:
Originally posted by Anon.:
Darren styles only jumped on the hardstyle bandwagon because its the big thing just now.





cos it aint full of nerds and students, make all the sissies of drum & bass cry




I'm genuinely curious what those two clips were meant to show, because I don't see very many happy and friendly faces, and not much in the form of actual music.

And did I get this right? Your contention is that "moving out of the stone ages" is to listen to what all the crowds are listening to? So does that mean you're a diehard Taylor Swift fan? Beyonc?? Kind of a ridiculous thing to tell hardcore fans, to go listen to what's popular, and dare I say, going mainstream.

You seem pretty down on Hardcore, and you're offering nothing but moans and complaints to someone looking to contribute something.

So you don't like the music, and have no interest in seeing it improve, so why are you even on this forum?



there is not much point contributing to uk hardcore, it has essentially been dead for 10 year's, i am the not in the topic title, Impact would be better off with uk hardstyle which is 90% reverse bass, which is roughly the same as powerstomp

drum & bass died and became a gay scene when they all spent 10 year's calling everyone chav's scum and loser's, and now it is full of nerd's and student's

that won't happen with hardstyle or hardcore, nerd's will get a slap, they killed dubstep with all their crying as well



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Edited by - Guest on 2020/05/01 08:10:04
Elys1um
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Posted - 2020/05/01 :  16:35:25  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Elys1um's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guest:
drum & bass died and became a gay scene when they all spent 10 year's calling everyone chav's scum and loser's, and now it is full of nerd's and student's

that won't happen with hardstyle or hardcore, nerd's will get a slap, they killed dubstep with all their crying as well



Truly all nerds and students must tremble in fear of a mix that includes tracks by Timmy Trumpet, Steve Aoki & AVB and remixes of songs like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0hyYWKXF0Q
Cheesier than vintage cheddar Reverse bass is awesome but that track is clownshoes, atleast the early 2000s Hardstyle scene didn't sample and remix cheesy pop shite like that


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Guest
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Posted - 2020/05/01 :  21:27:17  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Guest's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elys1um:
quote:
Originally posted by Guest:
drum & bass died and became a gay scene when they all spent 10 year's calling everyone chav's scum and loser's, and now it is full of nerd's and student's

that won't happen with hardstyle or hardcore, nerd's will get a slap, they killed dubstep with all their crying as well



Truly all nerds and students must tremble in fear of a mix that includes tracks by Timmy Trumpet, Steve Aoki & AVB and remixes of songs like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0hyYWKXF0Q
Cheesier than vintage cheddar Reverse bass is awesome but that track is clownshoes, atleast the early 2000s Hardstyle scene didn't sample and remix cheesy pop shite like that




haven't listened to none of it, it is the first mix on a youtube search


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Impact
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Posted - 2020/05/02 :  01:23:11  Show profile View artist profile  Send a private message  Visit Impact's homepage  Reply with quote
Thanks for all the replies, and positive feedback

Firstly, I would never come back to hardcore and conform. Meaning, I would ONLY make what I believe to be hardcore, not the utter shit that I?m hearing currently (sorry people, it?s utter shit currently).

If I came back, I would do it my way, without the care for money, purely for the love. Maybe an Infexious Audio Digital 2.0, maybe something else. Either way, it would 100% and how I?ve always done it - A blend of uplifting vocal tracks and freeform

For Example: I?ve been talking to my good friend Kevin Energy about collaborating on some new vocal freeform tracks
PS: Sorry ?Guest?, I don?t like Gabba or hardstyle, never have, never will

What are your guys thoughts?


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Edited by - Impact on 2020/05/02 01:26:33
trippnface
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Posted - 2020/05/02 :  02:44:19  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit trippnface's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Impact:
Thanks for all the replies, and positive feedback

Firstly, I would never come back to hardcore and conform. Meaning, I would ONLY make what I believe to be hardcore, not the utter shit that I?m hearing currently (sorry people, it?s utter shit currently).

If I came back, I would do it my way, without the care for money, purely for the love. Maybe an Infexious Audio Digital 2.0, maybe something else. Either way, it would 100% and how I?ve always done it - A blend of uplifting vocal tracks and freeform

For Example: I?ve been talking to my good friend Kevin Energy about collaborating on some new vocal freeform tracks
PS: Sorry ?Guest?, I don?t like Gabba or hardstyle, never have, never will

What are your guys thoughts?



Do it up dude, I def backed that kev energy project.

don't mind guest he's a troll


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