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Hardstyle keeps getting more Hardcore.

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LeVzi
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Posted - 2020/04/18 :  09:14:05  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit LeVzi's homepage  Reply with quote
tbh merging scenes is never gonna work, the people involved are too fking arrogant n selfish to mix.

Always been the way, even in the DnB scene, the purists hate the jump up skankers.

TBH Hardstyle is the happy hardcore of the big Europe hard dance scene now.


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Dem Retak
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Posted - 2020/04/18 :  16:37:01  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Dem Retak's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by trippnface:
this is top notch 10/10 . We need compilations of this style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN_MJLoXmuU



This has to be one of the most bearable hardstyle tracks i've heard. Weirdly get some frenchcore vibes from it.


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Elys1um
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Posted - 2020/04/18 :  17:05:03  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Elys1um's homepage  Reply with quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aDqY7eXgjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WL3_R2wFSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9EgjZ0HF3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GIVD7TWKpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLxAvZNsJQI

I miss 2006-2009 era Hardstyle melodies. They were less cheesy in a pop-EDM way than many modern HS melodies I've heard, but had that uplifting/euphoric style reminiscent of supersaw-y HHC-UKHC/(Hard) Trance melodies, just often done in a "darker/"more screechy and hoover-y way reminiscent of Gabber/Mainstream Dutch HC melodies.
The tinny and/or distorted kicks with no boom can get fast easily, but the melodies were pretty consistently uplifting and energizing during that era. Combine them with early 2000s Hardstyle reverse bass kicks from the era when the line between Hard Trance and Hardstyle was very thin and you'd have a recipe for awesome music imo.

Any one know why so many Hardstyle songs use the donk kicks with the melody after the breakdown, but use more booming kicks in the intro/outro? Track EQ?


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Edited by - Elys1um on 2020/04/18 17:08:44
Sulphurik
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Posted - 2020/04/19 :  16:44:37  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Sulphurik's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by DJGouda:
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Originally posted by Sulphurik:
Have heard some tracks recently from Hard Driver - I do quite like his style. I like the sound of his kickdrums.


I agree. His new kick are quite good, never been a big fan of his melodies though except Interconnected and The Empire.


I really love this one. Excellent fusion of hardstyle and trance:








Just recently found some trance influenced hardstyle including this one



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Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2020/04/19 :  18:02:34  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Impulse_Response's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by trippnface:
this is top notch 10/10 . We need compilations of this style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN_MJLoXmuU



The original mix of that one is decent.



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trippnface
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Posted - 2020/04/20 :  01:49:12  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit trippnface's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:
Originally posted by trippnface:
this is top notch 10/10 . We need compilations of this style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN_MJLoXmuU



The original mix of that one is decent.





I def like both, that label is putting out some killer stuff, surprised I never heard of it before.


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DJGouda
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Posted - 2020/04/26 :  21:04:18  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit DJGouda's homepage  Reply with quote






I also love new Sefa tracks. I recommend checking out the ones at 44:26 and 48:03 from his livestream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbitBRmdUA&t

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Originally posted by Elys1um:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aDqY7eXgjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WL3_R2wFSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9EgjZ0HF3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GIVD7TWKpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLxAvZNsJQI

I miss 2006-2009 era Hardstyle melodies. They were less cheesy in a pop-EDM way than many modern HS melodies I've heard, but had that uplifting/euphoric style reminiscent of supersaw-y HHC-UKHC/(Hard) Trance melodies, just often done in a "darker/"more screechy and hoover-y way reminiscent of Gabber/Mainstream Dutch HC melodies.
The tinny and/or distorted kicks with no boom can get fast easily, but the melodies were pretty consistently uplifting and energizing during that era. Combine them with early 2000s Hardstyle reverse bass kicks from the era when the line between Hard Trance and Hardstyle was very thin and you'd have a recipe for awesome music imo.

Any one know why so many Hardstyle songs use the donk kicks with the melody after the breakdown, but use more booming kicks in the intro/outro? Track EQ?


Some really great choices. Phases and Just Like You are some of my favorites from that time as well.
The sound and the type of melodies are unfortunately very rare nowadays. Here are a few from the last few years that I enjoy and that fit into that sound:





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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2022/04/07 :  23:00:19  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Sulphurik's homepage  Reply with quote




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Posted - 2022/07/23 :  18:40:52  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Craigavon raver's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by Vladel:
To me hardstyle has always been slow gabber.



Definently wasn't always the case but heard some hardstyle a few years ago and was hardcore sounding, i was actually very shocked, couldn't believe it! Like you say, similar to slowed, watered down gabber, don't have a clue what its like now though, don't listen to it. lol


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Posted - 2022/07/24 :  06:39:23  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage  Reply with quote
Considered that Gabber is actually 190BPM or faster, yea, all hardstyle is watered down in comparison

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Posted - 2022/07/24 :  17:13:50  Show profile View artist profile  Send a private message  Visit DJ Bounce's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by Samination:
Considered that Gabber is actually 190BPM or faster, yea, all hardstyle is watered down in comparison



Not always 190bpm or above actually.


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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2023/06/29 :  21:27:20  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Sulphurik's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
quote:
Originally posted by Vladel:
To me hardstyle has always been slow gabber.



Definently wasn't always the case but heard some hardstyle a few years ago and was hardcore sounding, i was actually very shocked, couldn't believe it! Like you say, similar to slowed, watered down gabber, don't have a clue what its like now though, don't listen to it. lol



Came across JGSW recently after coming across one of his tracks from a video (track Into Pieces). This track from last year, quite like this. Very nice main melody riff.



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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2023/06/29 :  21:53:23  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Sulphurik's homepage  Reply with quote
This is epic sounding. A short intro then into a section called a mid intro I think it's called from a video I saw of JGSW talking about the track. Pretty hard distorted kicks in that part but work ok. Epic main melody that comes in during breakdown.




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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2024/01/28 :  19:44:28  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Sulphurik's homepage  Reply with quote
Have thought previously when hardstyle was in a very successful stage, when the sound was more melodic than it has been during the last few years that some hardcore artists (Dutch hardcore/gabba producers) may have moved to the hardstyle scene. I know one artist that did move away was Endymion. They may still play hardcore tracks along with hardstyle ones. The hardstyle he plays as far as I'm aware/have heard do seem to be the 'harder style' of hardstyle anyway, possibly rawstyle.

Would I be correct in saying some rawstyle can sound very similar to Dutch hardcore?

Hardstyle seems to have moved away from being a melodic style with uplifting melodies and containing much harder kicks than previously. There is still the melodic style around - euphoric hardstyle.


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Edited by - Sulphurik on 2024/01/28 19:46:26



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