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Royzourboy New Member
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Posted - 2015/06/07 : 18:31:09
I've gotten hooked on the kicks that Force & Styles used, specifically the really bouncy ones you hear in Wonderland, Funfair, etc.
I would really, really like to figure out how they made such awesome kicks.
I know /HOW/ to make a kick, but I want one that sounds like theirs!
Does anyone know how it was done? Or did they maybe use a pre made sample?
Even better, does anyone have samples of any of the kicks they used and would they be willing to give them to me?
Any help is greatly appreciated!! Thank you!
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Mortis Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/06/07 : 19:35:53
I have some theories about their kicks. One is that it's a kick layered with a bass and the other is that it's two kicks layered in a way where the punch has been phased out slightly. I've managed to get something close using the later technique but nothing that sounds as good as theirs.
I've taken a quick section of a track I was working on last year. What I've got here is a basic 909 kick layered with a slightly distorted 909 kick and a clap playing at the same time. It's not perfect but it's about the best result I've gotten so far.
Ignore the shitty production, it's a very early draft that never got finished.
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DJ_FunDaBounce Advanced Member
Colombia
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Posted - 2015/06/07 : 20:07:50
lol! Funny how much their specific kick sound influenced so many of us. I got hooked on the F&S kick with "Heart of Gold". anyhoo, as for re-creating the kick, try layering. I personally use 2 nn19 samplers in Reason within a Combinator. I route them into a small mixer and tweak root notes and the filters. When I find a nice combination I save the patch or export and then re-import the result.
I also use scream distortion by routing the other stereo output of the samplers through the distortion and then to another pair of mixer channels so as to blend them with the "clean" versions. I've found that the tube settings on it tend to aproximate the F&S kick on many a sample.
In the breeze and styles computer music masterclass, Styles mentions something about how they did kicks back in the day so I suggest checking that out, too...
DJ_FunDaBounce Advanced Member
Colombia
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Posted - 2015/06/07 : 20:22:57
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
I have some theories about their kicks. One is that it's a kick layered with a bass and the other is that it's two kicks layered in a way where the punch has been phased out slightly.
This. Especially the phasing part. It's precisely what you want to look for with the layering technique.
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
I've taken a quick section of a track I was working on last year. What I've got here is a basic 909 kick layered with a slightly distorted 909 kick and a clap playing at the same time. It's not perfect but it's about the best result I've gotten so far.
That's pretty good, Stu!
Imo, though, there is no such thing as "perfect" when it comes to a hardcore kick. you've simply gotta find one that complements the other elements in the track.
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Royzourboy New Member
United States
38 posts Joined: Mar, 2015
Posted - 2015/06/08 : 21:52:54
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
I have some theories about their kicks. One is that it's a kick layered with a bass and the other is that it's two kicks layered in a way where the punch has been phased out slightly. I've managed to get something close using the later technique but nothing that sounds as good as theirs.
I've taken a quick section of a track I was working on last year. What I've got here is a basic 909 kick layered with a slightly distorted 909 kick and a clap playing at the same time. It's not perfect but it's about the best result I've gotten so far.
Ignore the shitty production, it's a very early draft that never got finished.
Oh my god man, that is delicious!! Great kick!
quote:Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
lol! Funny how much their specific kick sound influenced so many of us. I got hooked on the F&S kick with "Heart of Gold". anyhoo, as for re-creating the kick, try layering. I personally use 2 nn19 samplers in Reason within a Combinator. I route them into a small mixer and tweak root notes and the filters. When I find a nice combination I save the patch or export and then re-import the result.
I also use scream distortion by routing the other stereo output of the samplers through the distortion and then to another pair of mixer channels so as to blend them with the "clean" versions. I've found that the tube settings on it tend to aproximate the F&S kick on many a sample.
In the breeze and styles computer music masterclass, Styles mentions something about how they did kicks back in the day so I suggest checking that out, too...
Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2015/06/09 : 08:43:12
quote:Originally posted by Royzourboy:
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
I have some theories about their kicks. One is that it's a kick layered with a bass and the other is that it's two kicks layered in a way where the punch has been phased out slightly. I've managed to get something close using the later technique but nothing that sounds as good as theirs.
I've taken a quick section of a track I was working on last year. What I've got here is a basic 909 kick layered with a slightly distorted 909 kick and a clap playing at the same time. It's not perfect but it's about the best result I've gotten so far.
Ignore the shitty production, it's a very early draft that never got finished.
Oh my god man, that is delicious!! Great kick!
Haha, cheers.
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Guest Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/06/15 : 15:44:41
the intro kick in wonderland is just a crap oldskool gabba terror kick, with a lower note then the preset and a bit of EQ, then the clap just has some compression
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Mortis Advanced Member
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Posted - 2015/06/15 : 19:53:04
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
the intro kick in wonderland is just a crap oldskool gabba terror kick, with a lower note then the preset and a bit of EQ, then the clap just has some compression
Are you listening to the same track I am? Because the kick sounds nothing like what you are saying.
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Royzourboy New Member
United States
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Posted - 2015/06/15 : 23:46:30
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
the intro kick in wonderland is just a crap oldskool gabba terror kick, with a lower note then the preset and a bit of EQ, then the clap just has some compression
Well, maybe I like how it sounds. :/
None of the kicks in the video you linked sounded like the one in Wonderland, though.
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