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trippnface
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 Posted - 2014/12/22 : 19:49:46
Dance like a madman all night at parties. dance like a madman every day not at parties = success. 175+ is very good for exercise. that is why i really hate crowded dance floors. i am constantly moving all night ; by the end my legs are always giving out. in fact if it was not for raving i would be a fat piece of shit
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Lilley
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Posted - 2014/12/24 : 11:53:38
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My god you are a massive cunt
Elipton's had a thing for me for years. I though his post was a bit naf.
Have I?
Every post I see you write in response to me is just ridiculous. You seem to make good points in proper debates, but when you say 'roads are for cars' and 'hi vis vests are for poofs' I wonder if you engineer your posts to be stupid.
I don't have an issue with you, I don't know who you are. It wasn't until our last 'spat' that I realised you were male.. You make good points, and I'll agree with it. Make a dumb one, and I'll contest it. It's the nature of forum discussion.
I'll take it at face value then. Coz honestly, I'm the same. I'm happy to let it go. I don't come here much anymore anyway.
So in seriousness, get a nice wetsuit - 5/3 I would expect for UK, go surfing. Epic cardio, vitamin D to help depression and fun to boot. And yes, roads are for motorbikes, cars and trucks. People have no business running on them - neither do cyclists imo but that's another issue. Run on the footpath instead. That's what it is there for. meh.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/12/24 : 14:32:53
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People wearing black jackets running or walking across roads are very hard to see. Don't be such an ignorant fool.
If people can't manage to not get hit by cars when running across the road they probably shouldn't be running anywhere at all. All you need to do is look where you are going. And if you are going so fast that you can't then either the car isn't going to see you fast enough to stop in time or you will be going fast enough to avoid it. As for anywhere that has no footpaths, well i can't argue with it there.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2014/12/24 : 22:16:53
Why do people wear black jackets when running anyway? Why do people wear jackets when running? I know that I warm up very quickly and winter in sydney is as mild as rice pudding, but a jacket just makes me overheat in minutes.
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whispering
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Posted - 2014/12/24 : 22:23:26
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People wearing black jackets running or walking across roads are very hard to see. Don't be such an ignorant fool.
If people can't manage to not get hit by cars when running across the road they probably shouldn't be running anywhere at all. All you need to do is look where you are going. And if you are going so fast that you can't then either the car isn't going to see you fast enough to stop in time or you will be going fast enough to avoid it. As for anywhere that has no footpaths, well i can't argue with it there.
With and without reflector (and that is without obstacles), your ignorance towards basic road safety is life threatening.
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Why do people wear black jackets when running anyway? Why do people wear jackets when running? I know that I warm up very quickly and winter in sydney is as mild as rice pudding, but a jacket just makes me overheat in minutes.
Its -10C outside now, tomorrow it'll be -15C. To not die would be the answer :p
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 05:11:15
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Originally posted by Lilley:
Why do people wear black jackets when running anyway? Why do people wear jackets when running? I know that I warm up very quickly and winter in sydney is as mild as rice pudding, but a jacket just makes me overheat in minutes.
Its -10C outside now, tomorrow it'll be -15C. To not die would be the answer :p
He lives in Australia, where snow is almost unheard of there. Makes sense for you since it probably snows heavily half the year! ;)
And Lilley you pretty much just answered your own question. In the day black attracts sunlight and it heats you up, therefore causing you to sweat more and burn more calories. It makes sense in mild weather, but when it's almost record high heat, you're just asking for a heat stroke. Wearing black for a run at night on the road, that makes no sense. But running on the road in general, day or night, is a bad idea.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 10:13:12
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With and without reflector (and that is without obstacles), your ignorance towards basic road safety is life threatening.
We are just talking about crossing a road.
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whispering
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 10:55:35
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With and without reflector (and that is without obstacles), your ignorance towards basic road safety is life threatening.
We are just talking about crossing a road.
Yes, and every year we have news here that someone that had the right of way died because the driver didn't see. Its a serious issue, at least here (today we in the south get sunshine from 9:38-15:23, so most of the time its pitch black outside).
A test here (In finnish), they marked the moment the driver saw the person. Dark clothes ~20m, with reflector ~200m, visibility vest ~450m:
http://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2013/10/16/heijastin-halpa-henkivakuutus
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 12:12:26
Well that's the problem. Actually assuming drivers will stop for you. I would never assume that. Because they don't (either because they don't care that they are supposed to or through error).
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Lilley
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 12:33:36
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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With and without reflector (and that is without obstacles), your ignorance towards basic road safety is life threatening.
We are just talking about crossing a road.
Yes, and every year we have news here that someone that had the right of way died because the driver didn't see. Its a serious issue, at least here (today we in the south get sunshine from 9:38-15:23, so most of the time its pitch black outside).
A test here (In finnish), they marked the moment the driver saw the person. Dark clothes ~20m, with reflector ~200m, visibility vest ~450m:
http://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2013/10/16/heijastin-halpa-henkivakuutus
Why can't people look before crossing the road? Why are we doing away with common sense and standard pedestrian road craft and blaming drivers for not seeing pedestrians in a crash? Why should the pedestrian assume any time is a safe time to go out onto a road where 1000 kg metal boxes are moving at 20 metres per second? This is retarded. If it is the prevailing attitude in finland I'm not surprised it's an issue. It would seem education on how to cross the road would be in order. Look left, right andleft again, then cross. Obviously, this is reversed in places outside the commonwealth.
This stuff is not hard. As a motorcyclist, I understand that having right of way is far less important than staying alive. I understand that my two wheels and combined 260 kg will lose in a battle with a 1.5 ton car or 20 ton truck. Some people don't work this out quick enough, and are usually buried sooner rather than later. I do hope my tombstone won't read "But I was in the right..."
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whispering
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 13:12:46
For the off chance you two aren't trolling;
I'm glad you two aren't driving where i live. I mean jesus christ the arrogance. It's like you two assume every road is a straight line where only 1 car drives and 1 pedestrian crosses the road on a clear path. People like you are the reason pedestrians get run over even in good weather.
There are intersections where you would have to wait the night to have no cars around. There are curves where the pedestrian can't see the car when going on the pedestrian crossing, but you know, cars go faster then a pedestrian walks. There are endless situations where visibility vest or a reflector makes sure everyone can go by traffic laws and nobody dies. Though no law or clothing can prevent accidents from people like you two.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 13:38:01
We are not trolling. I don't know what the roads are like there or how things are there but crossing the road is just not dangerous here. Unless you can't use common sense; but then everything is dangerous. The only place where it would be a problem here is on busy roads in a town or city (where it would make no sense to run because you'd have to keep stopping for traffic. Not much of a run then is it?) but I'm talking about residential roads. But you would still have to be blind to get run over. There aren't really any blind corners in cities. And if there was that's where common sense comes in and you don't just run out into the road high-vis or not. Something that no amount high visibility clothing can make up for if you don't have.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 13:57:43
It's just hazard perception. If you can see people, you're less likely to hit them. Lilley, your absolute ignorance of road safety will probably get someone killed. I've learnt not to trust anyone else on the road, so I'm careful if I'm a pedestrian and I'm careful as a driver.
Hi vis jackets are helpful. A lot of our roads tend not to have sidewalks in places like rural towns, so there's that. When approaching turns or zebra crossings, hi vis makes people crossing or already in the road visible. If at night you are turning into a minor road, being able to spot people who may or may not cross is just safer.. If people at night running their routes didn't have hi vis jackets, it's the equivalent of a car driving at night without headlights on.
But you're a motorcyclist, and your perception of hazard is non-existent. You're bound to crash one day, and you'll likely take someone with you when you do. Motorcyclists are genuinely too trusting that people are good drivers, when there are so many who aren't. Its why they get taken out when they filter through traffic at 30, or get wiped out when they blast round a country corner at 120 and hit a car making an unsafe maneuver.
In this world, you can't trust that everyone knows what they're doing, so if you're a runner and you cross the road at a zebra crossing assuming you can be seen in a black jacket at 5am, you're an idiot. If you're a driver and you think that people won't misjudge the speed of traffic and cross when they shouldn't, you're an idiot.
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whispering
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 15:53:48
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We are not trolling. I don't know what the roads are like there or how things are there but crossing the road is just not dangerous here. Unless you can't use common sense; but then everything is dangerous. The only place where it would be a problem here is on busy roads in a town or city (where it would make no sense to run because you'd have to keep stopping for traffic. Not much of a run then is it?) but I'm talking about residential roads. But you would still have to be blind to get run over. There aren't really any blind corners in cities. And if there was that's where common sense comes in and you don't just run out into the road high-vis or not. Something that no amount high visibility clothing can make up for if you don't have.
From little research, UK and Finland has the same amount of pedestrian deaths (compared to population), UK has 4 times more pedestrian casualties then Finland. Though calculation methods might vary, so are not strictly comparable. But id say its a safe bet to say, despite harsher weather (snow / ice) Finland is no more dangerous to pedestrians then UK is.
Most times a car hits a pedestrian (from news articles, not actual statistic) on a zebra crossing, the pedestrian was going straight, the car turning. Always the driver says they didn't see the pedestrian (often pointing in bad weather). Wearing a reflector in dark is required by law here.
In Finland 2/3 of pedestrian casualties are of age 64 or older. So running is hardly the case for casualties. Runners usually wear a reflector arm band or a high vis vest. And are usually pretty aware of the surroundings and wear clothes that help drivers be too. Same with people with dogs.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/12/25 : 16:50:37
This is why even though I'm walking on the sidewalk I like to walk towards traffic and not against it. You don't know what the hell is going on behind you, and here in the US there are many reports of people getting run over by cars even though they're on the sidewalk. Drivers here are rather ignorant when it comes to looking out for pedestrians I always notice when they pull out of the parking lot and ready to get on the road, they're not even paying attention to me that I'm coming towards them. This is why I never walk in front of a car, I always walk behind them.
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