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Claxton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,055 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2014/07/12 : 11:07:34
Hello all.
I am attempting to time stretch(compress) Darren Styles' Remix of Feelin Fine.
It was only released at 142bpm however he has played it many times at 170bpm as in this video...
142bpm version
I suspect that Darren himself will have re-produced it in the studio at 170bpm rather than just timestretching it. However, I don't have that option.
I've tried time stretching in Ableton but I'm not getting results as clean as I would like. I know that this can be the case when doing this. Do I just have to accept I won't be able to do it or can anyone help me out?
I'll upload a clip of how mine sounds and more details about what I have done shortly.
Claxton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,055 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2014/07/12 : 11:19:48
Ok... in this clip there are three separate clips. The first is using the "beats" method of time stretching, the second "tones" and the third "texture".
The beast feature, as the name suggests, is more effective when the kick is in but not so much during the breakdown. The others are the opposite.
Captain Triceps Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,198 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2014/07/12 : 20:27:11
I did it several years ago in Wavelab, and it actually sounded more or less perfect. I know this doesn't help but still.
I was annoyed because I bought the vinyl from HMV thinking the Darren Styles mix was gonna be the hardcore mix, and it wasn't. So I took it back, explained (probably looked like a right wanker as well), and replaced it for the CD. I still have it, actually.
Claxton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2014/07/14 : 19:34:32
Cheers for the suggestions and help guys.
I combined a few of the different methods in Ableton and played around with them to come up with this. There are a few flat kicks but it's not terrible. Still, I wouldn't play it out.
Ooohhh. I've just seen this. Thank you very much :) This sounds much better than mine.
How did you manage this if you don't mind me asking?
you're very welcome:) I used Pro Tools and it has timestretch functions called elastic audio. It worked really well this time, but it can still cause some wierdness depending on the source audio and how it processes things.
Alert moderatorEdited by - DJ Dizzystick on 2014/07/25 12:16:45
ViolonC Average Member
Germany
243 posts Joined: Sep, 2014
Posted - 2014/09/03 : 14:01:35
Time stretching / pitching messes up the spectrum / formants and the transients. So most of the time the flair and punch is lost if you do it more than just a little. Most DAWs have special algorithms to counter that but they can probably only catch one of the two and not always satisfying.
Most of the time the low frequency suffer more so for my edits i tend to add a sub bass synth (sine) and a new kick drum (for the punch) and mix them in. The kick should sound similar and can be adjusted with EQ as it's purpose is to bring back the punch and low end. Then i mix it in with the help of sidechained multiband compression on the pitched/speed up track to get the old kick out of the way where it gets muddy.
This may change the sound of the track, but the product is more satisfying in regards to a punchy and fuller sound.
The mids and highs can(!) be treated a little with EQ but you should be gentle.
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