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warped_candykid
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 Posted - 2013/07/29 : 20:32:36
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by whispering:
There is not a single church that take the bible literally.
You should not be so quick to jump to inane conclusions. If you bothered to look you may find them. More to the point, can churches that don't take the bible literally be considered Christian churches? I would suggest not.
Here's what happens with Christian churches: Each faith (Baptist, Luthern, Methodist, Episcopal, etc) takes the Bible a little different. The key is finding the faith that matches who you are. The most tradition-based Christian churches would be the Orthodox churches.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/07/29 : 21:09:05
Religion is the opium of the people!
I simply don't get it why people require knowledge about a useless hope of a life after death. Your body rottens and that's it! Handle it! Why do you keep up boring other people with your own stupidness or even try to control our lifes by law because it's called religious tradition? All the worst things in history have been blessed by one of the always self-called true religions.
People thankfully would be correctly defined being maniacs and get arrested these days if they would spread around shit like Jesus, Mohammed or any other prophets have done in history.
And even if you're religious: you listen to Hardcore - you're screwed anyway.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2013/07/29 : 22:16:41
People have faith in what they believe in because its better than reality. I want to believe that my friends and family have gone to a better place and are happy, no matter how they died or why. I agree that faith by definition is something with no proof or foundation, but faith and hope are nice to have, and can be all that some people can hold onto.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2013/07/29 : 23:59:00
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
Here's what happens with Christian churches: Each faith (Baptist, Luthern, Methodist, Episcopal, etc) takes the Bible a little different. The key is finding the faith that matches who you are. The most tradition-based Christian churches would be the Orthodox churches.
So what you are saying is find the one that makes you feel good at the cost of committing apostasy rather than searching for what is in accordance with the bible's writings? Interesting.
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Originally posted by Warnman:
Religion is the opium of the people!
I simply don't get it why people require knowledge about a useless hope of a life after death. Your body rottens and that's it! Handle it! Why do you keep up boring other people with your own stupidness or even try to control our lifes by law because it's called religious tradition? All the worst things in history have been blessed by one of the always self-called true religions.
I love it when people pipe up who obviously have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. I have a few points to make.
1. Your second sentence is in clear contradiction with your first sentence.
2. The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man ? state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d?honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
3. The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but it is God's power to us who are being saved. For it is written:
I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and I will set aside the understanding of the experts.
Where is the philosopher? Where is the scholar? Where is the debater of this age? Hasn?t God made the world?s wisdom foolish? For since, in God's wisdom, the world did not know God through wisdom, God was pleased to save those who believe through the foolishness of the message preached. For the Jews ask for signs and the Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles. Yet to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is God's power and God's wisdom, because God's foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and God's weakness is stronger than human strength.
4. As you can see from the above quotes: (a) you misquote and misunderstand Marx and as such I would say to you before before you go on a crusade against the stupidity of others make sure your own comprehension is not built on a one line catch cry as it were but a thorough understanding of the condition of people and society. (b) while Marx has quite an acute understanding of religions, he does not realise the false dichotomy present in his application - but that's a different topic.
5. "People thankfully would be correctly defined being maniacs and get arrested these days if they would spread around shit like Jesus, Mohammed or any other prophets have done in history."
That right there simply beggars belief. It is the most facepalm moment of this month, quite possibly this year.
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