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The Dopeman
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 Posted - 2013/03/07 : 11:51:10
i think if we do get independance we will no doubt struggle and come crawling back to england on our hands and knees saying "we're sorry...we ****ed up" the world is just in too bad a state for us to go it alone maybe in the next 50 years or so we could but right now we have no chance
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Posted - 2013/03/08 : 09:50:39
Not a good idea. If Scotland leaves the UK they will be the land boarder for England so they could become subject to 'invasion' from terroists unless they wish to remain in the British Army. Also even though most of the UK is ran by Englishmen in London the last Prime Minster was Scottish and look where that left us lol
Also English tourists wishing to go to Scotland would now have to provide a passport for crossing the boarder and same with Scots wishing to come to England, as you said, Dopeman you have been to Blackpool before and it was said to be a popular destination for Scots. There are alot of Scots living in England & English in Scotland who would also be against Independence & I know alot of people board in England whos parents where Scottish.
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Posted - 2013/03/08 : 10:53:28
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Not a good idea. If Scotland leaves the UK they will be the land boarder for England so they could become subject to 'invasion' from terroists unless they wish to remain in the British Army.
Tony Blair was also Scottish, by the way...
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Posted - 2013/03/08 : 11:37:59
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Tony Blair was also Scottish, by the way...
is he...i've learned something today :)
i always thought he was english because of his accent, still a better PM than gordon brown which btw i think the reason he was told to fcuk off out of government was the fact he was a dreary lookin old sod who could make the sun cry
i met him once in kirkcaldy (where he's from) he seemed nice but i literally shat myself when he smiled lol he is one ugly ****er lol
let's just hope cameron and his bumboy cleggypoo can persuade the rest of scotland not to follow alex salmonds loony idea of an independant scotland coz if we do go fully independant we are up shit creek without a paddle and sinking fast imo
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Posted - 2013/03/09 : 13:54:58
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i always thought he was english because of his accent, still a better PM than gordon brown which btw i think the reason he was told to fcuk off out of government was the fact he was a dreary lookin old sod who could make the sun cry
i met him once in kirkcaldy (where he's from) he seemed nice but i literally shat myself when he smiled lol he is one ugly ****er lol
let's just hope cameron and his bumboy cleggypoo can persuade the rest of scotland not to follow alex salmonds loony idea of an independant scotland coz if we do go fully independant we are up shit creek without a paddle and sinking fast imo
I really hope you Scottish don't think we all talk like that lol Im not sure of Blair's background I know he was educated at a Scottish school but also read he went to Uni in Oxford (England) and Gordon Brown didn't sound that Scottish either.
The only problem I had with Blair was he was always jetting off to The States to see his boyfreind George Bush (not much better than Brown in fact) & neglected his own county (The UK) so we didn't upset the good ole Americans
Also I heard that glorious old Wales have a party wanting independence as well and are being supported by the SNP. So The Scottish don't mind being mates with The Welsh but want F-all to do with England? Odd
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Posted - 2013/03/09 : 20:30:40
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Well tbh i'm not praticuarly bothered about scotlands bid for independence, i'm more concerned about irish independence, which for me is a must! And i beleive it eventualy will happen
Eh? You mean a United Ireland? I doubt it, not when even a large proportion of Catholics in Nothern Ireland would prefer to stay part of the UK. It's probably less likely now than it's ever been.
Yeh a united ireland, and where or how do you think a large proportion of catholics in nothern ireland want to stay in the u.k? and its far from less likely, its a certainty! 
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Posted - 2013/03/13 : 06:34:40
The English would be screwed without our north sea oil and by that I mean the exporting of Buckfast.
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Posted - 2013/03/13 : 11:53:00
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Yeh a united ireland, and where or how do you think a large proportion of catholics in nothern ireland want to stay in the u.k? and its far from less likely, its a certainty!
It's what the polls always show. Protestants and Catholics are around 50/50 in Northern Ireland now, while the pro-Union vote is always in the high 70's. It's never going to happen, and getting less likely all the time as the sectarian sentiment dies down. No one in their right mind would choose Ireland over the UK as things are at the moment. An independent Northern Ireland is probably more likely than a United Ireland.
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The English would be screwed without our north sea oil and by that I mean the exporting of Buckfast.
We actually export it to you ;)
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Posted - 2013/03/14 : 21:25:26
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The English would be screwed without our north sea oil and by that I mean the exporting of Buckfast.
Lol, i've been on a daytrip (pilgrimage) to Buckfast abbey to see how it's made. Good day out.
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 02:48:24
billy connolly's for president
"we got 1 billion dollars trade with swizterland, its fooken brilliant"
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Posted - 2013/03/24 : 17:56:13
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
Yeh a united ireland, and where or how do you think a large proportion of catholics in nothern ireland want to stay in the u.k? and its far from less likely, its a certainty!
It's what the polls always show. Protestants and Catholics are around 50/50 in Northern Ireland now, while the pro-Union vote is always in the high 70's. It's never going to happen, and getting less likely all the time as the sectarian sentiment dies down. No one in their right mind would choose Ireland over the UK as things are at the moment. An independent Northern Ireland is probably more likely than a United Ireland.
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The English would be screwed without our north sea oil and by that I mean the exporting of Buckfast.
We actually export it to you ;)
Well i'll think you'll find your wrong on a few counts! protestants and catholics aren't on a 50/50 ratio and i'll think you'll find that the protestant vote is on the decline every election! while the catholic vote increases or stays at a pretty high turnout! thats why the d.u.p and u.u.p are running scared and have even sent out unionist unity candidates twice in recent elections in 2 constitunicies to try and get pro union representitives in government but republicans are still kicking there ass! so at some point in the future stormount will be a catholic run republican government! which will eventually = bye bye britain!
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Posted - 2013/03/25 : 00:00:14
I'm not wrong. It was revealed in the 2011 UK census data that went public not so long ago. Sounds like you've been listening to some dodgy propaganda.
Catholic 45%
Protestant 48%
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/protestantcatholic-gap-narrows-as-census-results-revealed-29004134.html
"But on the other side of the religious divide, a substantial 38% of Catholics also favoured remaining within the UK - three percentage points more than the number who backed a united Ireland."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21345997
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Posted - 2013/04/03 : 19:46:31
I'd be wary of polls coming from the bbc. 38% of how many catholics? 1000? 2000? 50? Very much doubt that all catholics were asked....not that religion should have anything to do with it in the first place.....especially where a poll is concerned. There is a growing number of other religions and those who don't follow religion at all.
Triquatra was spot on with what he said: the main people who want NI to stay part of the uk are those who classify themselves as british there and a handful of bnp supporters throughout England. The majority of other English people aren't interested - Scotland is different in that respect imo as the lands are physically joined.
Also on what Craigavon Raver mentioned: On a recent election for mid-Tyrone where I come from, the unionists fronted a joint unionist candidate to try take the seat from nationalists (No other reason) - this failed miserably with Sinn Fein keeping the seat in a strong election win.
The thing that is most confusing regarding Ireland, is that on the Irish proclamation - It is for an Ireland of equals, regardless of race or creed. The northern state was a 'protestant state for protestant people' until recent years....and has now become more equal....then when you have democratic decisions that don't go the way of the unionists (City Hall flag???) they all go ape-shit and riot for months.....Equality anyone??
An All-Ireland for ALL people.....it's the only option. Let the whole country sort itself out rather than the republic and the north try to do it separately.
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Posted - 2013/04/03 : 20:07:39
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Not a good idea. If Scotland leaves the UK they will be the land boarder for England so they could become subject to 'invasion' from terroists
not really just look at the last 2 attempts the terrorist who attacked glasgow airport got his head kicked in any terrorist who wants to "try" and terrorize scotland should think twice we'll kick the living shit out of them lol
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Posted - 2013/04/05 : 21:44:56
Honestly, what is the main argument for independence according to the Scots which support it?
I genuinely can't see any compelling arguments for it that are rooted in anything other than irrational hatred for the English. The realistic truth of the matter is that the current standard of living in Scotland would be unsustainable in an independent state.
Personally, besides enjoying the occasional joke about Scots and alcohol or Scots and unemployment, I don't have any particular bad feelings towards Scotland at all. I'm not even bitter about the fact that we're effectively making a loss from Scotland being a part of Britain -- although the general anti-British, anti-England sentiments do make it a lot harder to swallow.
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