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Elliott
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 Posted - 2012/11/12 : 15:35:10
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Originally posted by Ravechief:
Personally I really hope it is just some rumours blown out of proportion. If it is hopefully at the Hardcore Heaven Awards Storm will be handed his Biggest **** in the Universe award and then made to do the walk of shame through the crowd whilst Sy drops "So Long, Farewell" from The Sound of Music.
This. My current, rather uninformed, appraisal of the situation is that Storm's coming off looking like a much bigger dick than Sy here.
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jenks
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 16:15:37
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And that law is built on morals and christian believes.
It's certainly not built on Christians beliefs. It was not uncommon throughout Christendom (and the Islamic world) for children to be wed to men and the marriage consummated. In fact, the age of consent in Vatican City is still only 12 years old.
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ponder
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 16:36:48
I generally subscribe to the rational thought process that none of this should have been aired publicly unless there was clear evidence to support Storm/Keyes' claims. Clearly, Sy has been a bit silly, possibly even slightly creepy (if the laptop in the garage thing is true), but even if he is a bit of a perv, that doesn't make him a kiddy fiddler.
However, I can absolutely understand WHY Storm has done what he's done. He's a reactionary and emotive guy, who clearly believes that he's doing the right thing. I just happen to disagree with that position.
It should have stayed between the group of promoters who Carl was emailing so they could quietly remove him from their events. Sure, punters would've sussed something was wrong after a couple of months, but at least it would've bought them time to either A) source conclusive evidence that Sy is infact on the list, or B) had clear the air talks, worked out the best course of action moving forwards and taken it from there.
I also agree with a couple of the posters above that it should be Carl providing evidence, not Sy. Carl has made the accusations, and having read all of the posts and statements he's made, there is nothing solid in there at all. It's all a lot of 'he said, she said' with a few emails that confirm some people were talking about it. The only reason Sy needs to clear his name is for the sake of his DJ work, and who's to say he necessarily wants to play for promoters who level these kind of accusations at him? I know I wouldn't.
In summary: this should've been dealt with behind closed doors. You can't go public on something as emotive as this without 100% concrete proof, especially when a man's livelihood and reputation is on the line.
P.S. I know some of that looks like I'm backing Sy here. I'm not at all, there's no smoke without fire after all, but we also live in a society where you're innocent until proven guilty, and at the moment, there isn't any conclusive proof.
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 17:04:28
Ok so some of you guys think Carl should prove it, I wasn't really getting on the fact that it should infact be Sy but I just think I would have posted something to go against the allegations or added something to the post, stating that he could prove it. Maybe Jay is right tho in saying who knows maybe he is working his ass off to get proof to throw in everyones face but it has been seven days or so since this came to light & no "evidence."
It did make me think when I read that squad-e was told over a year ago & suddenly on a Monday night 12 months or so later he decides to ring Storm & bring this up, not just that but Storm stated Squad-E had rang up other people and told them, WHY after a year??? Is he now dating "Sarah" or what, it doesn't make sense that a whole year or so goes past & you decide to ring all ya artist & promoter mates in the scene and say "You never guess what???". To not even mention it before seems weird...... Is all this to do with royalties from the Quosh Vs Twista imprint??? **** knows but I think its ****ed up!!
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ponder
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 17:14:11
I don't think it's worth speculation why Squad-E would sit on this information for a year, but at the same time, I agree, it does seem a little strange.
As for the evidence thing. I would imagine most lawyers would advise him to refrain from posting anything online unless he has to, especially if he's exploring any avenues into defamation of character. I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash eventually, but right now, the onus is on Carl to back up his accusations.
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 17:45:39
maybe he couldn't hold it back any longer i've been in the exact same position so i know more than any of you on of my former friends raped a 15 year old girl and i know he got chased from his own home before he moved into the flat below me after he was accused of the same thing and his mum had to move to carlisle i know exactly how they feel plus more because of how it affected me personally it eats away at you everyday you eother want to tell someone or you want to take the law into your own hands it is really hard to live knowing that it may be true and someone you trusted and were good friends with could do that your thoughts and feelings about them change so i can understand completly why they decided to do it you guys don't so lay off them a bit
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 17:52:06
Calm down dopeman, you might understand how they felt but why a year & this all supposedly came from his ex who knew it all.
**** It, either way, everyone needs proof :)
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Ravechief
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 18:03:28
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
maybe he couldn't hold it back any longer i've been in the exact same position so i know more than any of you on of my former friends raped a 15 year old girl and i know he got chased from his own home before he moved into the flat below me after he was accused of the same thing and his mum had to move to carlisle i know exactly how they feel plus more because of how it affected me personally it eats away at you everyday you eother want to tell someone or you want to take the law into your own hands it is really hard to live knowing that it may be true and someone you trusted and were good friends with could do that your thoughts and feelings about them change so i can understand completly why they decided to do it you guys don't so lay off them a bit
I understand what you're saying as for wanting to get it off your chest... but it's still totally unprofessional, especially as the 'evidence' is just some gossip flying about.
But from what I've read so far it was only a picture/video of some topless 16 year olds. You cannot really compare what Sy has said to raping an under age girl. The severity of the incidents is miles apart. Doesn't mean he's not a bit of a perv, but it's hardly a huge incident.
It should've been handled quietly behind the scenes and if the allegations were true to the extent Storm and co are trying to portray then a statement should've been issued from a neutral source with the evidence to back it up.
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 18:13:26
Great, now that this is all cleared, lets go have sex with some 16 year olds 
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 19:46:48
http://facebook.com/note.php?refid=52&ref=m_notifif_t=feed_comment_reply&_ft_=fbid.10152250387870322e_id=10151233890850982
Storm removed this after a massive post
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 20:01:56
Quite a read that but it still doesn't clear much up.
I agree with where Jay's coming from, with Storm airing the dirty laundry in public Sy could be using his limited time more wisely, building himself a concrete defence that may well put this to bed & leave Storm in an nightmare situation.
It could also end the opposite way resulting in the biggest downer ever to hit the scene.
Theres a few things about that Storm statement that don't seem to make sense. I'm not saying he's in the wrong but few things confuse me...
Who in their right mind would continue to live/have a relationship with someone who keeps a secret laptop in the garage? I mean come on, foot fetish!? I've never heard such bollocks in my life! There's no excuse for keeping a laptop secret & wiping it constanly. No sane person wouldn't think that's a little bit suspect & either hang around or look into it further.
Another thing is, why in god's name would a police officer phone Storm? As if the police would even waste their time to contact someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the case in a hope of talking them round. What would the police gain from this? It's not like they care if this brings his carrear to a screetching hault. All they care about is if he is guilty of breaking the law. That's it.
There's so much that doesn't add up on both sides.
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 20:14:29
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Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
Quite a read that but it still doesn't clear much up.
I agree with where Jay's coming from, with Storm airing the dirty laundry in public Sy could be using his limited time more wisely, building himself a concrete defence that may well put this to bed & leave Storm in an nightmare situation.
It could also end the opposite way resulting in the biggest downer ever to hit the scene.
Theres a few things about that Storm statement that don't seem to make sense. I'm not saying he's in the wrong but few things confuse me...
Who in their right mind would continue to live/have a relationship with someone who keeps a secret laptop in the garage? I mean come on, foot fetish!? I've never heard such bollocks in my life! There's no excuse for keeping a laptop secret & wiping it constanly. No sane person wouldn't think that's a little bit suspect & either hang around or look into it further.
Another thing is, why in god's name would a police officer phone Storm? As if the police would even waste their time to contact someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the case in a hope of talking them round. What would the police gain from this? It's not like they care if this brings his carrear to a screetching hault. All they care about is if he is guilty of breaking the law. That's it.
There's so much that doesn't add up on both sides.
Storm thought he was being a Good Samaritan by leaking that Sy was a "peado" and everyone would respect his ego - it's all backfired now
Who the **** does storm think he is? Did u read the bit about storm giving Sy 3 options to clear his name one being a CRB check? What an absolute bellend
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 20:15:35
Also storm needs to go back to school
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 20:37:21
Good, now engage the attack at Storm. How sweet. Someone constantly must be tortured and hated. What a lovely society.
Storm just did what he thought was right in too much of a shock to think rationally.
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 20:39:56
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Originally posted by cruelcore1:
Good, now engage the attack at Storm. How sweet. Someone constantly must be tortured and hated. What a lovely society.
Storm just did what he thought was right in too much of a shock to think rationally.
Spreading something around the world without 100% isn't the right thing to do
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