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NewD
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Posted - 2011/12/06 : 22:22:18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=giFCFrTUqTI&v=FfqG-eKCAeQ&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_800915

As soon as it went up on the Facebook page people where asking who it was it's recon & demand, they posted some previews up there of the new album, it's a stomper! they have gone now tho. Tataly steps into the unknown for recon, its really good

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NewD
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Posted - 2011/12/06 : 22:25:49

i've noticed all the typos at the end of my posts and all i can say it the excitement I can't contain it! 25 days left!

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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/12/06 : 23:10:01

I guess, I got your point, Neko.

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I guess I'm just expecting a happy ending

How could Jay read over this?

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_Jay_
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Posted - 2011/12/06 : 23:17:20

Ha ha! Terrible! I did actually read that - I just didn't get naughty thoughts. School boy stuff.

At least you were paying attention Christian!

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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/12/06 : 23:27:56

Lol have I missed something?

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Janster
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Posted - 2011/12/07 : 07:34:14

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Whenever I've asked people the appeal of Dubstep, Dubstep/hardcore, electro/hardcore, I never get a straight answer. I sometimes wonder if these people actually realise what they're listening to...take a lot of Darren Styles' new dubsteppy/electro stuff; no disrespects to the guy because I'm a massive fan of his but at the end of the day, if tracks like Screwface came from a completely unknown name would anybody like it half as much? I highly doubt it.

How's this for a straight answer? Those genres consist of wonderfully textured sounds which your brain simply lacks the capacity to groove to, for whatever reason. Screwface is a wonderful piece of music! Personally, I'm a big fan of the sound and like that hardcore is trying out new styles and seeing what works and what doesn't. At the end of the day, it's always going to be what people are enjoying that gets made and played.

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

My personal prediction is that this electro/dubcore will be a short phase that will soon get steamrolled by Breakbeat Hardcore and the genre will take a whole new turn (along with many others). As the phrase goes; cream rises to the top. The electro-y stuff has been pushed and pushed and is still met by lots of very relevant criticism which they can't even answer to without disregarding you as a 'hater' or something equally ridiculous. I honestly don't think that can be the future of hardcore because I don't believe the future of hardcore would have such a divided opinion within it's own fanbase; if it's good, people will like it...and there are many many people who don't. That itself is enough of an indicator to show you the direction of that music.

Interesting post overall, I like some of your observations. I do definitely see breakbeat hardcore coming back in a new and fresh way and gaining a lot of momentum. The stuff that's being made now on that front is very interesting. In fact... it could very well be a breakbeat hardcore revolution that links the genre to the mainstream, what with the rising popularity of EDM and all. Some of the breakbeat parts on HU5's Slipmatt and Entity disc for example show a lot of new shapes the style is taking on. And I remember CDJay saying Fracus and Darwin are gonna start exploring the breakbeats a lot more in the new year.

Personally, I think hardcore is going to split into multiple directions now, or it's already in the process of doing so, and that, far from any of the subgenres dying out, each of the styles will develop on their own for a while. But also, while this is happening, producers will start coming up with fresh new ways to combine the different styles in tracks together and the genre will eventually grow to become more popular. I think dance music in general is coming to start combining elements of different genres more as the planet inevitably grows more connected to overcome the current crisis. And I think hardcore will slowly catch on more while during this as it evolves along with people's mindsets.

I think a big part of what made electro catch on so well was the apparent novelty of it, combined with it being relatively easy to listen to for the average person of this generation. What people first heard them, they thought, this is kinda different, but it still makes sense to me, and it makes me want to dance. This cleared the path for dubstep to catch on for the same reasons. Another new level of novelty and appeal. The rapid rate of technological advancements has allowed such futuristic kinds of music to not seem out of place everywhere.

And now, because of the way dubstep, electro, among other things, have boosted EDM's popularity in the mainstream so much, the stage is set for hardcore. The music has been picking up so many things in its orbit all over the years. Now all it needs is a facelift that combines all of its best elements in a fresh way that will provide that novelty and appeal for people without alienating them. And with the direction the planet is going to head in, and already is in some ways, it seems like it would make more sense for something as fast and happy as hardcore to penetrate the public sphere. With the amount of new information processed by people minds rising daily, and with the amount of love that is going to be needed to lead the planet into a fresh new era, fast and happy sounds like something that more and more people are going to like.

There's something about the music. It just touches you a certain way no other music can. It's just a question of whether or not you know how to hear that in it. I feel like a lot of people have simply rejected it because of like these memes about it being too "gay" or whatever being in the collective unconscious. Others simply not being used to music that fast and intense, which is cool as it's not for everyone. But when it plays at a party of people who are there to dance, almost everyone seems to get along with it, and it creates a vibe that seems to fill the place with open appreciation and love. And for that reason I believe that, moreso than almost any other genres, enjoying the taste of it has to do with feeling like you are allowed to like it. I recently realized that you can probably use happy hardcore as a precise tool of measuring just how pretentious a person is based on how positively you can react to it. And not being pretentious seems to be going into style. Hardcore is going to do good things. I love happy hardcore!

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Edited by - Janster on 2011/12/07 07:58:00

Dopeman
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Posted - 2011/12/07 : 08:03:16

i think the scene should split it would be more interesting that way

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ultraskool
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Posted - 2011/12/07 : 08:27:28

is that like the Jungle/Drum N bass sound splitting from the Uplifting Hardcore sound to be known later as HHC? in the beginning there was rave.. and rave music split into dark vs uplifting.

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i think the scene should split it would be more interesting that way

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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/12/07 : 08:28:27

quote:
Originally posted by Janster:
How's this for a straight answer? Those genres consist of wonderfully textured sounds which your brain simply lacks the capacity to groove to, for whatever reason. Screwface is a wonderful piece of music! Personally, I'm a big fan of the sound and like that hardcore is trying out new styles and seeing what works and what doesn't. At the end of the day, it's always going to be what people are enjoying that gets made and played.

Thanks for the long reply but this is still essentially "it's good because I like it". You could say the same for Splittercore, at the end of the day it doesn't make it any better music and it doesn't excuse the lack of imagination in the tracks. Dubstep was the novelty before electro, when dubstep was starting to get huge appeal here, electro was still heavily driven by the french scene and a handful of producers such as Vandalism, LMFAO (Yes before Party Rock Anthem) and Fukkk Off. Most of this was also before Deadmau5 popularised the genre about a year later. The Electro you hear now by Mord Fustang, Lazy Rich, Darth & Vader etc. is based on dubstep, not vice versa. Either way, it's still arbritrary noises and like it or not, it is bad music. You are not going to remember it in 5 years time like we do with music built on melodies and vocals.

And yeah, hardcore has already split, the dubstep/electro stuff will die a death anyway because it's just built around copying what's already popular, when all the electro/dubstep dies in popularity (which it will and already is) the people making that music are going to have no idea where to go next and will probably revert back to riff-led trancier hardcore.

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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2011/12/09 : 20:37:13

I am really liking this thread now, even tho "Fluxx" took it ofs subject for a bit!!!! Its good for everyone to get involved in a full on disscussion about hardcore on a hardcore forum again!!!!!

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Triquatra
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Posted - 2011/12/09 : 21:33:50

its interesting, over the last 10 years as genre's have died away or gone underground i've always wondered what could possibily come next

when euphoric (or classic) trance started to fall away in 2001 I thought that was it - i didnt think anything new could come on the scene, and then garage became commerical and that was everywhere, then that died down and up popped your american cheesy autotuned rnb stuff..which never seemed/hasnt left, just when i thought nothing new would happen bassline bubbled up for a splitsecond, before disapearing...and before you new it DnB was in..at that point i thought hell was about to freeze over and then all of a sudden dubstep bubbled into the mainstream.

all this taking place whilst hardstyle, hardcore and a few other styles have been bubbling underground

i dont think they'll ever be commerically viable, but i do find it interesting how things bubble to the surface

other style of music give me confidence in music (generally speaking) I remember listening to Sasha and maria naylor - Be as one, and i just felt like back then, "how can music get much better than this" to me there are standout pieces of music, and when i hear a "new" standout piece of music, or recent one - that gives me alot of hope.

I'm just rambling when i should really be polishing off this members mix for everyone! lol

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Edited by - Triquatra on 2011/12/10 09:59:56

NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/12/09 : 22:06:54

quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
its interesting, over the last 10 years as genre's have died away or gone underground i've always wondered what could possibily come next

when euphoric (or classic) trance started to fall away in 2001 I thought that was it - i didnt think anything new could come on the scene, and then garage became commerical and that was everywhere, then that died down and up popped your american cheesy autotuned rnb stuff..which never seemed/hasnt left, just when i thought nothing new would happen bassline bubbled up for a splitsecond, before disapearing...and before you new it DnB was in..at that point i thought hell was about to freeze over and then all of a sudden dubstep bubbled into the mainstream.

all this taking place whilst hardstyle, hardcore and a few other styles have been bubbling underground

i dont think they'll ever be commerically viable, but i do find it interesting how things bubble to the surface

other style of music give me confidence in music (generally speaking) I remember listening to Sasha and maria naylor - Be as one, and i just felt like back then, "how can music get much better than this" to me there are standout pieces of music, and when i hear a "new" standout piece of music, or recent one - that gives me alot of hope.

I'm just rambling when i should really be polishing off this members mix for everyone! lol

I think what keeps any electronic music from attaining proper commercial exposure is the bassline. House music goes down well with all sorts of ages because the bassline is funky and/or interesting, when you compare rave music to that, the same pulsing off-beat bass just doesn't hit people in the same way unless they're specifically into that kind of music. Listen to SL2 - On A Ragga Tip, it's not just the hooks or stabs that make it so popular, it's the funky bassline. We've never really had anything like that since either in hardcore. Although given the speed of hardcore now compared to back then it'd be pretty hard to write a groovy bassline for 180bpm music without it just sounding manic and squiggly.

But yeah, music always throws up something new and suddenly the past is gone in a flash. That's why I think it's silly to try and imitate stuff like dubstep or electro. I'm not gonna shit on people liking it, but why bring it into hardcore? People are never going to jump ship or take a sudden interest in hardcore. Skrillex can make dirtier drops than hardcore, as can Lazy Rich and all the electro guys. I'm all for artists trying new things, but when it gets to the point that 'we' are trying to push that sound as the 'future' of our genre...how does that make us look? It's obviously going to sound extremely dated in the next few years when the electro/dubstep bubble bursts (if it even lasts that long) which means the next generation of producers have to work twice as hard trying to show people that hardcore isn't just a rip-off genre.

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Vladel
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 07:43:21

Hixxys Sora blue has given me great hope recently that while some of the top guns are rincing out their fart noises (Gammer, breeze and styles) the true top gun will keep producing some good hardcore and i think it has been hixxy that has kept the clubland series bearable.

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Shades
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 09:04:28

some excellent stuff about at the moment

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