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NekoShuffle
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 Posted - 2011/04/27 : 16:55:05
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You heard much of Mt Eden's stuff andy? They get very melodic at times.
I think it was Jakazid who linked to some 'melodic' dubstep on facebook. Everyone agreed that it was brilliant stuff but to be honest I didn't really "get" it. Sometimes I think mentally I'm about 10 or 20 years older as far as music is concerned because so many of these new styles coming out today I just really don't understand the hype, makes me feel awful as a music enthusiast.
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Posted - 2011/04/27 : 17:08:27
i might see skrillex and ducksauce in august, u jelous? 
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Posted - 2011/04/27 : 17:14:58
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i might see skrillex and ducksauce in august, u jelous?
not really! I saw a video of him DJing...dear me. Eject, press play, eject, press play. Tiesto has taken the Jesus pose so I dunno what Skrillex is gonna come up with lol
EDIT: well looking at my other thread I take all that back. he didn't even eject, just pressed play and stood around smoking. I'm out of this thread before I have a hernia or something
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Posted - 2011/04/27 : 17:49:56
Sorry that was a bit harsh of me, enjoy it anyway mate!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 01:40:10
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for once? FOR ONCE?!?!
Your judgement is usually good. I didn't mean what you implied lol.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 02:09:54
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think it was Jakazid who linked to some 'melodic' dubstep on facebook. Everyone agreed that it was brilliant stuff but to be honest I didn't really "get" it. Sometimes I think mentally I'm about 10 or 20 years older as far as music is concerned because so many of these new styles coming out today I just really don't understand the hype, makes me feel awful as a music enthusiast.
As far as "getting" it goes, well yeh, im not with you either. To me the criteria of good is not about being able to dance to it. All I need is something with real music and I can sit and listen to it until my heart's content. Songs need melody. It's what puts metallica head and shoulders above the other of the big 4. Yes the energy is still definitely there (though has nothing when compared to slayer) but has so many musical riffs all over the place, just tiny pieces added here and there to give the songs so much more presence and feel more together than the other bands ever did.
I don't make a point of listening to electro, because I inadvertently hear enough of it at venues and it was mostly terrible. The only track I ever made a point of enjoying is the van she remix of gravity's rainbow. That one was well put together.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 03:01:11
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think it was Jakazid who linked to some 'melodic' dubstep on facebook. Everyone agreed that it was brilliant stuff but to be honest I didn't really "get" it. Sometimes I think mentally I'm about 10 or 20 years older as far as music is concerned because so many of these new styles coming out today I just really don't understand the hype, makes me feel awful as a music enthusiast.
As far as "getting" it goes, well yeh, im not with you either. To me the criteria of good is not about being able to dance to it. All I need is something with real music and I can sit and listen to it until my heart's content. Songs need melody. It's what puts metallica head and shoulders above the other of the big 4. Yes the energy is still definitely there (though has nothing when compared to slayer) but has so many musical riffs all over the place, just tiny pieces added here and there to give the songs so much more presence and feel more together than the other bands ever did.
I don't make a point of listening to electro, because I inadvertently hear enough of it at venues and it was mostly terrible. The only track I ever made a point of enjoying is the van she remix of gravity's rainbow. That one was well put together.
I feel like I'm arguing for the sake of arguing here so don't take this too much to heart as I don't intend it but personally I don't see the fascination with Metallica. I have 4 of their albums that I loved when I was about 13 but I look back on it now and I think there is something very hollow and watered about their sound that I can't place. Then again I look through most of my metal collection and wonder how on earth people can take it seriously.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 12:30:59
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I think it was Jakazid who linked to some 'melodic' dubstep on facebook. Everyone agreed that it was brilliant stuff but to be honest I didn't really "get" it. Sometimes I think mentally I'm about 10 or 20 years older as far as music is concerned because so many of these new styles coming out today I just really don't understand the hype, makes me feel awful as a music enthusiast.
As far as "getting" it goes, well yeh, im not with you either. To me the criteria of good is not about being able to dance to it. All I need is something with real music and I can sit and listen to it until my heart's content. Songs need melody. It's what puts metallica head and shoulders above the other of the big 4. Yes the energy is still definitely there (though has nothing when compared to slayer) but has so many musical riffs all over the place, just tiny pieces added here and there to give the songs so much more presence and feel more together than the other bands ever did.
I don't make a point of listening to electro, because I inadvertently hear enough of it at venues and it was mostly terrible. The only track I ever made a point of enjoying is the van she remix of gravity's rainbow. That one was well put together.
I feel like I'm arguing for the sake of arguing here so don't take this too much to heart as I don't intend it but personally I don't see the fascination with Metallica. I have 4 of their albums that I loved when I was about 13 but I look back on it now and I think there is something very hollow and watered about their sound that I can't place. Then again I look through most of my metal collection and wonder how on earth people can take it seriously.
Well it's important to remember that if you just don't like something, you're already not going to see what's good about it anyway, otherwise you would probably like it!
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 16:22:57
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I feel like I'm arguing for the sake of arguing here so don't take this too much to heart as I don't intend it but personally I don't see the fascination with Metallica. I have 4 of their albums that I loved when I was about 13 but I look back on it now and I think there is something very hollow and watered about their sound that I can't place.
Which albums do you have? In particular I'm talking about Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. I generally see their self-titled as being a bit melodramatic and trying to hard. I haven't heard anything after those even though I own their latest, got three or four tracks through the cd before I took it out and snapped it in half, and then downloaded the guitar hero version.
The best way of understanding what I'm trying to get at with metallica is by listening to S&M. Which of their songs gel best with the symphony? (Somewhat rhetorical question as long as you get it right).
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Then again I look through most of my metal collection and wonder how on earth people can take it seriously.
Firstly I'll have you no I'm not offended at all by that statement, just want to turn it around for you.
Then again I look through most of my happy hardcore collection and wonder how on earth people can take it seriously.
Or even better, substitute in edm.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 16:27:57
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Well it's important to remember that if you just don't like something, you're already not going to see what's good about it anyway, otherwise you would probably like it!
Very true. However, an issue arises when you are somewhat trained to listen to music and next thing you know rihanna or fergie or some other muppet is blasting from the speakers. There is just no excuse for anyone producing that shit (other than money of course).
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 16:50:52
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I feel like I'm arguing for the sake of arguing here so don't take this too much to heart as I don't intend it but personally I don't see the fascination with Metallica. I have 4 of their albums that I loved when I was about 13 but I look back on it now and I think there is something very hollow and watered about their sound that I can't place.
Which albums do you have? In particular I'm talking about Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. I generally see their self-titled as being a bit melodramatic and trying to hard. I haven't heard anything after those even though I own their latest, got three or four tracks through the cd before I took it out and snapped it in half, and then downloaded the guitar hero version.
The best way of understanding what I'm trying to get at with metallica is by listening to S&M. Which of their songs gel best with the symphony? (Somewhat rhetorical question as long as you get it right).
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Then again I look through most of my metal collection and wonder how on earth people can take it seriously.
Firstly I'll have you no I'm not offended at all by that statement, just want to turn it around for you.
Then again I look through most of my happy hardcore collection and wonder how on earth people can take it seriously.
Or even better, substitute in edm.
I have ride the lightning, master of puppets, the black album and st. anger (yeah should have said 3 really).
The thing about happy hardcore is that it's not meant to be taken seriously, it's just one big funtopia. Heavy metal sort of goes for this war and battles and death and all sorts of grim dark topics and really takes itself seriously about it. I'm not dissing it for that because it's much better than being half-hearted but personally I do cringe a bit listening to it.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 17:09:01
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Well it's important to remember that if you just don't like something, you're already not going to see what's good about it anyway, otherwise you would probably like it!
Very true. However, an issue arises when you are somewhat trained to listen to music and next thing you know rihanna or fergie or some other muppet is blasting from the speakers. There is just no excuse for anyone producing that shit (other than money of course).
I agree.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 17:25:28
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The thing about happy hardcore is that it's not meant to be taken seriously, it's just one big funtopia.
A lot of artists and record labels would disagree with you.
I'd like people to take my music seriously, not just in hardcore but throughout all my endeavours.
Labels and artists who sacrifice a lot of their lives to produce and release music to a fairly thankless, critical and unprofitable scene really actually DO want you to take their music seriously. For the most part we get barely any recognition (there's next to no fame in hardcore) we get barely any money (very unprofitable scene) and for the most part people are infinitely more likely to criticise moan than they are to be positive and support and promote the artists. You think we put up with all that so you can not take the music seriously? get real.
I hate when people refer to hardcore as 'one big happy family'. Those days are gone - maybe it feels like that for you, as a general listener, but i can tell you from a professional standpoint: the audience doesn't care. Of all the music i've participated in, hardcore is actually the most thankless and selfish genre i've been a part of. There are promoters, labels, other producers etc who all will **** you over without thinking twice. This is a fairly universal concept - the music industry is brutal, but i NEVER see a general listener promoting underground talent. I never see it. Some family.
Honestly, you think all these artists bailing from hardcore is just about money? Open your eyes, hardcore hasn't been profitable for years and NOW they're leaving?
I honestly don't give a **** what skrillex is like as a person, but from the videos he honestly looks like a sound guy... I don't particularly like dubstep and i don't particularly like his music, but i can recognize when something is good, hence this topic.
I'm just rambling now and i don't want to say anything to start a war - but you're being a bit ignorant.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 17:35:23
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
The thing about happy hardcore is that it's not meant to be taken seriously, it's just one big funtopia.
A lot of artists and record labels would disagree with you.
I'd like people to take my music seriously, not just in hardcore but throughout all my endeavours.
Labels and artists who sacrifice a lot of their lives to produce and release music to a fairly thankless, critical and unprofitable scene really actually DO want you to take their music seriously. For the most part we get barely any recognition (there's next to no fame in hardcore) we get barely any money (very unprofitable scene) and for the most part people are infinitely more likely to criticise moan than they are to be positive and support and promote the artists. You think we put up with all that so you can not take the music seriously? get real.
I hate when people refer to hardcore as 'one big happy family'. Those days are gone - maybe it feels like that for you, as a general listener, but i can tell you from a professional standpoint: the audience doesn't care. Of all the music i've participated in, hardcore is actually the most thankless and selfish genre i've been a part of. There are promoters, labels, other producers etc who all will **** you over without thinking twice. This is a fairly universal concept - the music industry is brutal, but i NEVER see a general listener promoting underground talent. I never see it. Some family.
Honestly, you think all these artists bailing from hardcore is just about money? Open your eyes, hardcore hasn't been profitable for years and NOW they're leaving?
I honestly don't give a **** what skrillex is like as a person, but from the videos he honestly looks like a sound guy... I don't particularly like dubstep and i don't particularly like his music, but i can recognize when something is good, hence this topic.
I'm just rambling now and i don't want to say anything to start a war - but you're being a bit ignorant.
I wasn't talking about 'Hardcore' I was talking about Happy Hardcore which IMO are two very different things. I'm a bit more than a casual listener I know some pretty horrendous things in the scene that most people don't and I simply won't mention for various reasons, the point is I was talking about the content of the music, not of the scene. There is a big big difference between Rainbow Islands and For Whom the Bell Tolls
Oh and in the smaller scenes in the UK there are loads of casual listeners supporting underground material, down here in the south while I don't always like the music there is a really nice family feel to the gigs and the venues, especially the days of HappyNation.
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Posted - 2011/04/28 : 17:38:41
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The thing about happy hardcore is that it's not meant to be taken seriously
Why not?
I find it easy to find music fun AND take it seriously.
You're absolutely barmy about happy hardcore so therefore you take it seriously.
The only music i don't take seriously is the stuff i don't like - cos it isn't important to me.
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