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acidfluxxbass
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 Posted - 2011/03/23 : 21:39:54
Some of you probably know that I've had my run ins with whats legal and whats not in hardcore... But ive been seeing bootlegs and rips like this be released, and I am forced to question their legality.
This is using an acapella by Adele... how can they possibly be legal?
http://www.trackitdown.net/genre/hardcore/track/3135449.html
http://www.trackitdown.net/genre/hardcore/track/3109214.html
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redwingz
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 Posted - 2011/03/23 : 22:24:01
In a word...No.
These shouldnt actually be released without permission off the original label (whoever Adele is signed to). Even if permission was granted (which it wouldnt be for this track) the parent label would usually take all the profits.
If found, legal action could be taken, but whats the point for 1-100 sales? They would just make them remove the track from sale and pay them any royalties that have been made. (I know of a couple of people this has happened to)
Everyone in hardcore does it though, cause its such a small scene, it goes un-noticed.
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Posted - 2011/03/23 : 22:42:23
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Originally posted by redwingz:
In a word...No.
These shouldnt actually be released without permission off the original label (whoever Adele is signed to). Even if permission was granted (which it wouldnt be for this track) the parent label would usually take all the profits.
If found, legal action could be taken, but whats the point for 1-100 sales? They would just make them remove the track from sale and pay them any royalties that have been made. (I know of a couple of people this has happened to)
Everyone in hardcore does it though, cause its such a small scene, it goes un-noticed.
Yeah it happens everywhere. I've done it personally and we did it a couple of times through AWF's life cycle. ****, Scott Brown has done it heavily in the past.
Like was said, it's such a small scene it'd be hard for anyone to care unless someone like Hixxy did a bootleg and it got that level of attention.
I've found most people don't really care when it's done well. If it's up to a certain standard then why would you complain about good hardcore?
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Posted - 2011/03/23 : 22:54:14
so flaunting the rules the common practice? and stuffs being done illegally all the time (such as mixes, which are illegal apparently because they often use unlicenced tracks).
Then people complain about file downloading or w/e. :\ I think this is rather hypocritical.
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Posted - 2011/03/23 : 23:44:56
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
so flaunting the rules the common practice? and stuffs being done illegally all the time (such as mixes, which are illegal apparently because they often use unlicenced tracks).
Then people complain about file downloading or w/e. :\ I think this is rather hypocritical.
TBH i think the bigger problem is the CD packs like the HTID ones etc. They cost like 20 quid for 8 dj mixes and the artists and djs etc get nothing. It all goes to the event promoter. None of the tracks are licensed, there is no tracklisting (so people would find it hard to even buy any of the tracks) and the artists will get no publishing money. I would like to know how they get these CDs pressed tbh without an AP2 license!
For example, lets say an NSR track was on a CD pack, no one would know its an NSR track, the artist gets no recognition because there is no tracklist and no money goes to the artist/label despite these packs being sold at 20 quid a throw.
I know that this is a big issue with some DJs and is why there are certain guys that you will never see play at these events where the CD pack is then sold to the public ;) Or if they are booked, then they will more than likely refuse to be recorded which would inevitably see them kicked from the lineup anyway.
Hardcore can be a bit of a money grabbing scene (at least lower down the pyramid), because there is so little money in the scene. You could probably name 5 of the biggest names in hardcore and their combined earnings will be higher than everyone else put together in hardcore, especially with it always being the same 4 or 5 names mixing the big money compilations (CXH & HTID).
There is alot of money to be made at the very top (by the very top I mean Hixxy & Styles type fame), we are talking ALOT of money. For everyone else, you just get by at best.
I have always said that one of the major problems with hardcore and why there is no money in the scene and why all these illegal goings on occur is because there just arent that many business minded people in it. Its ran by producers and DJs (which keeps it underground and ours but also makes it hard for people to earn a living from), not by proper record labels (with the exception of AATW, weird how they are the richest hardcore label yet not run by hardcore djs or producers), and the people who run and own these labels dont know about the legality of the music business (Im not talking about the big names in the scene here).
I would be massively shocked if alot of digi label owners in hardcore could explain to someone how publishing works and if they dont know then its ultimately the artist losing out on money because the label should be explaining it to their artists.
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Edited by - redwingz on 2011/03/23 23:49:27 |
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Posted - 2011/03/24 : 07:13:01
quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
so flaunting the rules the common practice? and stuffs being done illegally all the time (such as mixes, which are illegal apparently because they often use unlicenced tracks).
Then people complain about file downloading or w/e. :\ I think this is rather hypocritical.
how hardcore artists can moan about people illegally downloading their tracks yet they havnt had the correct permissions to use samples just goes to show how ****er up this scene is...
labels like aatw won't get away with this kind of theft as they are too big of a label both in and out of hardcore...
no answer/reply can justify why this is ok but illegal downloads arnt I'm sorry but if you don't go fully down the right route how can u complain? moral high ground totally lost
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Posted - 2011/03/24 : 07:17:20
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
so flaunting the rules the common practice? and stuffs being done illegally all the time (such as mixes, which are illegal apparently because they often use unlicenced tracks).
Then people complain about file downloading or w/e. :\ I think this is rather hypocritical.
how hardcore artists can moan about people illegally downloading their tracks yet they havnt had the correct permissions to use samples just goes to show how ****er up this scene is...
haha true. i can't imagine the type of legal trouble scott brown would get himself in from all the tracks he's taken samples from
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Posted - 2011/03/24 : 07:20:32
Apparently Ganar's label paid a fee to Adele's label and they are aware of the remix.
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Posted - 2011/03/24 : 08:36:24
Been loads of talk about legality and stuff on here over the years but, The main point i use to raise was when all this PAID stuff came out, im not against it & do believe that you should pay for ya tracks!!!! Just use to make me mad when certain big name producers used to go on & on about this, then just below advertise a track thats getting released and they have gone under the alias "ANON" - I WONDER WHY???????????? LMFAO
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Posted - 2011/03/24 : 10:59:45
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Apparently Ganar's label paid a fee to Adele's label and they are aware of the remix.
Why go to all that effort? That must have been some fee! As a multi-million pound label wouldnt just say, 'yeah go on, give us 30 and you can release it'. Especially as its such a huge track right now.
So surely Ganar is going to make a loss on this track if he had to pay an upfront fee to the parent label and TID only gives you 50p per sale and about 50-60 sales can get you a number 1 chart spot in the hardcore chart on TID.
Thats why alot of artists etc tend to release bootlegs as freebies or keep them for their own personal use.
I think I may have to have a flick through XL & Colombia records' catalogue and buy the rights to a couple of acapellas from them myself if its that easy.
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Posted - 2011/03/24 : 12:44:32
by apparently he probably means "I've read it on another forum, or saw it on Facebook"...
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