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jenks
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 Posted - 2011/01/08 : 21:39:32
Given that quality of music is entirely subjective, I don't think crap music exists, nor objectively good music either.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2011/01/08 : 22:05:00
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
and it comments like yours which cause us, as well as others, reluctance to post comments these days....
I don't think that was called for mate. She was only making a joke....
Quite right Stu, I should have worded that better and I'm sorry to cause offense.
The point, re; "....comments like yours" is that others aren't joking, so, that makes serious feedback ....difficult, and is therefore discouraging.
Also, the point that jenks has just made -
"Given that quality of music is entirely subjective, I don't think crap music exists, nor objectively good music either."
is something that we completely disagree with and, imo, gives people the idea that any old crap is worthwhile.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 02:20:00
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is something that we completely disagree with and, imo, gives people the idea that any old crap is worthwhile.
Yes but one mans used old condom is another mans hat. If you get me.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 02:58:26
....and that is exactly what misleads people.
Crap is crap even if flies think it's the best meal of the day. Opinion is only valid to a certain point. It is not infinite.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 03:41:05
But in the end music is an art and in art people should be allowed the freedom to express themselves in whichever way they wish. As much as I don't like sifting through bad music I'd rather that than for music to be regimental.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 03:54:18
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 11:22:17
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
But in the end music is an art and in art people should be allowed the freedom to express themselves in whichever way they wish. As much as I don't like sifting through bad music I'd rather that than for music to be regimental.
I think what iono is trying to say is that at some level, it becomes almost universal that a certain piece of music is crap. Hence, is no longer subjective, because the collective all agrees.
There is some music that is crap. Searching IMO would see to it it'd be found, seeing as there is no quality control on IMO. There are people on there that have obviously been producing for two weeks, the music doesn't go anywhere and is out of key, and the production is muddy and miserable. I'm sorry - that is crap.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 12:08:15
Well its like Luna-C said - probably the most insightful words available to anyone trying to make it in the scene.
A well produced song that is musically awful is CRAP
A poorly produced song that is musically marvelous in some cased can be very GOOD
Of course for music to even pass off as listenable it has to be in-tune, structured and to some extend well mixed down, but I dont think thats a problem with a single artist mentioned in this thread.
For me crap is when it had no time spent on it at all. When a producer doesnt show the passion to try and structure a song and learn how to make it sound more professional, its crap. A song thats thrown together in 10 minutes with no real musical virtue - for me - is crap, and thats why in many cases I dislike what I hear from Re-con and Squad-E. I think 99% of the scene producers are hard-working passionate people - and Gisbo is one of them. Theres probably not a minute of his free time that he doesnt spend sat down at his PC working on music....
Just hearing some of Thumpa's production career now when he collaborated with Mozz for Summer Fruits on HReunited... and now Techno Control... Techno Control is a very nice track - Summer Fruits sounds a bit behind the times at the time, production wise, but steered away from conventional styles at the time.
http://soundcloud.com/rebuild_music/mozz-thumpa-techno-control-f-c-ultimate-worldwide-freeform-album
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 20:31:49
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
But in the end music is an art and in art people should be allowed the freedom to express themselves in whichever way they wish. As much as I don't like sifting through bad music I'd rather that than for music to be regimental.
I think what iono is trying to say is that at some level, it becomes almost universal that a certain piece of music is crap. Hence, is no longer subjective, because the collective all agrees.
There is some music that is crap. Searching IMO would see to it it'd be found, seeing as there is no quality control on IMO. There are people on there that have obviously been producing for two weeks, the music doesn't go anywhere and is out of key, and the production is muddy and miserable. I'm sorry - that is crap.
Thankyou. That's exactly what I meant.
Summer Fruits was made in a day and based around a journey me and Mozz made to Wolverhampton to play on a pirate radio on a scorching hot day in 2004. We got there, the show had been raided so we drove back with some DJ Vibes tape on from 98 and we sat in his sweaty bedroom, drinking summer fruits tesco squash, smoking spliffs and making that tune.
If you listen to Summer Fruits closely you'll realise all the snare and other percussion patterns are all Slipmatt-esque and the kick in the last section is completely ripped from Dougal & Skeedale - Never Forget You. It probably doesn't sound good now, but at the time we ****ing loved it! :)
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2011/01/09 : 21:15:34
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Originally posted by Thumpa:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
But in the end music is an art and in art people should be allowed the freedom to express themselves in whichever way they wish. As much as I don't like sifting through bad music I'd rather that than for music to be regimental.
I think what iono is trying to say is that at some level, it becomes almost universal that a certain piece of music is crap. Hence, is no longer subjective, because the collective all agrees.
There is some music that is crap. Searching IMO would see to it it'd be found, seeing as there is no quality control on IMO. There are people on there that have obviously been producing for two weeks, the music doesn't go anywhere and is out of key, and the production is muddy and miserable. I'm sorry - that is crap.
Thankyou. That's exactly what I meant.
Summer Fruits was made in a day and based around a journey me and Mozz made to Wolverhampton to play on a pirate radio on a scorching hot day in 2004. We got there, the show had been raided so we drove back with some DJ Vibes tape on from 98 and we sat in his sweaty bedroom, drinking summer fruits tesco squash, smoking spliffs and making that tune.
If you listen to Summer Fruits closely you'll realise all the snare and other percussion patterns are all Slipmatt-esque and the kick in the last section is completely ripped from Dougal & Skeedale - Never Forget You. It probably doesn't sound good now, but at the time we ****ing loved it! :)
Yes. Having listened to Summer Fruits more closely, I have realized that all the snare and other percussion patterns are all Slipmatt-esque and the kick in the last section is completely ripped from Dougal & Skeedale - Never Forget You. 
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Posted - 2011/01/11 : 22:45:03
http://soundcloud.com/rebuild_music/thumpa-hardcore-underground-show-05-01-11
The first HU show of 2011 in all its glory, download it now!
01. Fracus & Darwin vs Michael Mansion - Comin' Down - Hardcore Underground
02. Breeze & Styles - Thugboy (Flyin' & Sparky remix) - Raverbaby
03. Andy Dee - Live Your Life (Mike Modulate remix) - Make Believe Recs
04. Dougal, Gammer & JB-C - Tape Machine - Essential Platinum
05. Peaks & Pinnacle - Sock Rocka - ReBuild Music
06. Pinnacle & Prospect - Everybody Get Up (JB-C's Prime Time remix) - ReBuild Music
07. DJ Shimamura - Tokyo Hardcore Music All Night Long - ReBuild Music
08. Hixxy - Feel It In The Air (Gammer remix) - Raverbaby
09. Riddy & Niddy - Dream About You (Nu Foundation's Lay Me Down remix) - ReBuild Music
10. Nightforce - Why Do You Hate Me? (Nu Foundation remix) - ReBuild Music
11. Andy Dee - Daylight - Make Believe Recs
12. Nomad - Lose It - Ultimate Worldwide Freeform
13. Douglas vs Peaks & Pinnacle - Gliese Beat - ReBuild Music
14. Peaks & Pinnacle - Techno Club - ReBuild Music
15. A.B & Douglas - Moment - Nu Energy
I can promise that none of the tunes above are crap!
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 21:00:36
For what its worth, me and Gisbo have since spoken about this! Good thread though, major lulz.
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Gisbo
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 22:58:53
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For what its worth, me and Gisbo have since spoken about this! Good thread though, major lulz.
indeed we have :) was interesting moan for a good while haha
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KisekiDJ
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Posted - 2011/02/28 : 00:16:44
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Originally posted by DJ_Kid_Nickles:
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Originally posted by Thumpa:
Sorry only just looked at this and I'd forgotten I made the post. If people want my honest opinion, then sorry Gisbo but your production is a long, LONG way off. I went on your soundcloud just to have a listen to your new tracks but the first tune made my cringeometer explode. What are the vocals about in this track? http://soundcloud.com/gisbo/gisbo-skyz-real-raverbaby-raving-will-never-end
That track is terrible mate, sorry but it is. The vocals are absolutely awful and I think in a few years you will listen to them and think 'what the **** was I thinking?'
The problem with the internet is, all it takes is a few fanboys saying that a producer is great and the guy is gonna believe the hype. I don't make music myself and wouldn't ever start, but what I do have is an ear for good music. I can sort out the wheat from the chaff anytime, and unfortunately hardcore is absolutely full of chaff at the moment.
I admire the fact that you make a lot of music, but I think you should find your own sound and perfect your production before you put clips up. Quality over quantity any day. Your production needs thickening up and your style needs something that separates it from the rest of the generic 'not as good as Raverbaby' stuff out there, because there is so much of it about at the moment. I'm sure you're not trying to actively copy anyone else, but it sounds like you are.
I'm not here to argue at all, and of course you can tell me to piss off, but if you put clips up on soundcloud then you will have to deal with negative feedback, after all surely that's why you put tracks up? Feedback?
Also, I had a quick look at your album and there are far too many rips on there. Anyone can take an accepalla and put some gay riff behind it. It doesn't take any great skill and in a few months it will be instantly forgettable unfortunately. Do you want to be instantly forgettable, a shooting star that fizzles out after a few months, or do you want to be a respected producer? Not respected by the fanboys, but respected by the major labels, producers and promoters? If you are only making music for 'fun' then no worries, forget everything I've said, but if you want people to say 'that Gisbo is alright man' then I think you should sit back, spend time on a track and improve your production.
Anyway, I'm not up for arguing but I wanted to have my say and I never shy away from it. I am a good guy who runs a label cos I care about this music, so please don't think I am being blunt for the sake of it.
Honestly, PISS THE **** OFF Thumpa! YOU INFURIATE ME! You obivously have no ****ing clue what the hell you're talking about! If Gisbo's stuff wasn't up to par/on point, DO YOU REALLY THINK HE'D BE SIGNED TO LABELS (yes labels!!! MEANING MORE THAN ONE cause you're helmet ass most likely can't count) OR THAT EVEN HOODZIE WOULD GIVE HIM PROPS? You dropped out of the scene for 12 months? Well if you're going to trash talk everyone in your scene, and TRASH up and coming dj's and/or producers, then maybe you don't DESERVE to be part of the scene, ever think of that shit face? Maybe you're just another one of those shallow/jaded ass heads who only goes to events for the drugs? You know NOTHING about hardcore, and if you did, you would be producing yourself. And "not as good as Raverbaby"? Common now, Raverbaby may have been a good label back in the day, but even though they are still around, it's not a label that's as strong as it used to be (needs to make room for the NEW labels that are coming out and trying to make an impression on the hardcore scene). It's all about hardcore TODAY, not yesterday. People need to move over and make way for the upcomers and the new generation of hardcore producers, for if it wasn't for them, hardcore would surely die off (by the way that you act and the things that you say Thumpa, you SURELY want it to fail both as a scene, and as a genre). Hardcore is not about negativity or the bad things in life. or about putting other people down (if you wanted that kind of garbage, you should listen to gabber instead of hardcore). And if all you want to do is shit talk people and put them down for doing things MORE THAN LIKELY BETTER THAN YOU EVER COULD, or even things that you know nothing about, go to another forum. There are better ways to offer constructive criticism that straight putting down someone. You say alot of producers today can't even carry a tune in a bucket? Well, lets see you do better mate! Don't see/hear of you being signed to MULTIPLE labels. And if you're not here to argue, then why the hell did you start an argument? You make no sense. I guess someone just needs to buy you a new helmet (the kind with reflectors, mirrors, and lights, you know the kind you wear when you go bike riding at night?) and take you back to the group home that you escaped from. And one more thing, if you're not producing, then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU RUNNING A LABEL?
Sorry ahead of time to EVERYONE for such unprofessional behavior/language...
Aight dude just to further prove that IM the biggest douche hardcore will ever see...
I own a label and I don't even generally enjoy Hardcore or most electronic music for that matter.
And to be honest, everyone in here isn't realizing hardcore going in the shitter, with these crappy tunes with no drops that everyone's okay with. Honestly, I can't see anyone taking pride in a song that goes no where at all, especially with all of these really nice up-and-coming producers being influenced by the big name artists (like Gammer and recently Fracus & Darwin) making songs like this.
It sucks all of the talent out of hardcore.
The reason I'm in the hardcore scene?
It's easy to progress in. It takes a little over a year to become a recognizable producer, and after that, you're set.
I'm not even a GOOD producer and I own a label.
I'm just sort of rambling on now, as you can tell, but all I wanted to do was get my point across and look like a douche while I did it.
Whether or not half of this is relevant information is your decision.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2011/02/28 : 00:44:02
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I've decided to bite my tongue.
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