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Quicksilver
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 Posted - 2010/10/03 : 02:07:09
So when you listen to a lot of hardcore you start to notice certain patterns several producers have.
Like Sy & Unknown: Intro - Melody/Lead - Verse 1 - Breakdown - Buildup - Melody - Chorus w/ Melody - Instrumental (often short, like 8 bars) - Verse 2 - Mini-chorus where melody is in the background (sometimes they skip this) - Buildup 2 - Melody - Chorus /w Melody - Outro (16 bars)
Darwin's older vocal tracks usually went: Intro - Breakdown - Buildup - Verse 1 - Chorus w/ Melody - Instrumental - Uplifting part with old school stabs OR something weird/filthier - Breakdown - Buildup - Chorus w/ melody - Instrumental - Outro but nowadays he usually goes: Intro - Instrumental part (either happy or filthy/acidy) - Breakdown - Buildup - Melody - Chorus (and melody gets put in the background) - Instrumental - Something else - Breakdown - Buildup - Melody - Chorus (melody in the background) - Melody without beat - Instrumental - Outro
Has anybody else noticed any typical structures for any producers? Apart from the normal structure... :P
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 03:42:43
The only structure I've been hearing is:
Intro-breakdown-verse-buildup-verse/melody-Intro over again-breakdown-verse-buildup-verse/melody-outro.
boring...
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 04:50:33
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
The only structure I've been hearing is:
Intro-breakdown-verse-buildup-verse/melody-Intro over again-breakdown-verse-buildup-verse/melody-outro.
boring...
and who might this be?
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 12:47:45
yeah this isn't typical to hardcore.
Most music in general follows SIMILAR rules.
Look at any rock or pop for example.
it's USUALLY (intro) verse 1 - chorus - verse 2 - chorus - bridge - chorus
this is a pretty typical structure for most modern music. Although there are deviations from that, it typically follows that pattern.
Hardcore is no different.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 12:50:26
I know the track structures for old Hardcore and modern Hardcore. There are always exceptions to the rule however
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 13:10:32
Yeah, Influx. I know.
Point of this thread was to point out producers who use a different structure than the norm in hardcore.
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 14:24:31
Most structures are the same and they're made like this because the tracks have to be mixable! They're often the same but sound different sometimes and people don't know what... I will take 'Dealer' from S3RL as an example. The kick (intro) comes, and then it stops. Nothing happens and then the vocals come. Just after that the track 'starts' with kick, bass and the vocals continue. Most people will mix out the track before when the silence comes (just before the vocals), but that's wrong, you have to let the track play and the vocals from dealer will come over the other track, when the bass kicks in you switch the bass! (or not, if you're oldskool!)
So it sounds different but it's actually the same..
I noticed a lot of tracks only have one breakdown by the way.
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 14:40:47
I knooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Read thread again.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 14:51:59
Kevin Energy sometimes uses a unique structre where the had multiple breakdowns and build-ups and develops into a single chorus.
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 15:38:48
quote:
Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I knooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
Read thread again.
I did and nobody said this yet :)
Edit: I made and example here:
transition #1
transition #2
I noticed many people mixing it like in example #2
When you hear the song you will think it has a different structure, but in the end, it hasn't really!
Wow I really feel like doing another Euro Hardcore Show right now! :)
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 16:12:54
quote:
Originally posted by warped_candykid:
The only structure I've been hearing is:
Intro-breakdown-verse-buildup-verse/melody-Intro over again-breakdown-verse-buildup-verse/melody-outro.
boring...
So true! Upfront hardcore is very predictable in this respect, I remember a lot of stuff from 1997 would have like a phrase of slow breakbeats and some hefty wobbly bass with maybe like a rap sample slotted inbetween the beats just before the second breakdown. But in that respect there were alot of tunes from that era which had some erratic patterns which actually made the songs far more fun to mix like Q-Tex - Falling to the Earth just seems to bounce along with minimal breakdowns, I'm quite a fan of that tune at the moment!
I think the mixing comment is a bit redundant because provided there's at least 1 phrase before the whole song comes in any song is mixable, I would say 2 to 4 are ideal. Nobody is asking for avant garde hardcore, just something that doesn't follow the regular patterns.
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 16:18:05
In addition to this I think a lot of DJs who consider themselves to be quite good would struggle so much mixing old skool 94-95 breakbeat hardcore cos it's a totally different kettle of fish to mixing with the standard patterns.
Same with acid house, very difficult to mix in comparison to modern house because back in the 80s DJs mixed in a very different way and tunes weren't made with nowadays mixing in mind, it certainly wasn't as seamless and their skills were shown in their selection not in their mixing, believe it or not the music did stop frequently! It was only a short while before then that the MC would introduce each track!
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 19:52:08
Also Squad-E sometimes has 8 bars of melody/lead then 16 bars of melody+chorus vocals instead of 16+16.
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Posted - 2010/10/03 : 23:17:58
Having heard many Old Skool mixes I can safley say it was down to track slection in those days. And good DJs made a fine show of it!
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