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Sam Swift
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 Posted - 2010/08/27 : 11:49:58
Just been listening to a few Vinylgroover productions and dj sets. Was really a top notch producer as well as dj. Is such a shame he left the Hardcore scene. Is one producer that would do very well back making Hardcore again. Not really a fan of his hardhouse stuff at all.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 12:36:42
i doubt he will "come back"
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 13:16:16
He never really liked Hardcore. I got that picture straight when I asked him if he'd start selling his old hardcore songs digitally (or to share them for free).
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DJ-Intensity
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 13:17:58
I'd say no that as well.
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 13:36:49
I spoke to him a while ago, and he never really liked hardcore to be honest, and he's very happy doing what he's doing now, so I guess that answers the question
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 14:42:37
He's done 1 or 2 Hardcore sets over the years but that's all.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 14:56:33
if by chance he miraculously did come back to the scene, don't expect him to pick up right where he left off. with that long of an absence, he would more than likely come back with a style of hardcore that's similar to what's already out there, not the cheesy stuff that he did from back in the day
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 15:00:31
His productions were top notch! It's a shame he didn't come back, you would think with that amount of aliases and records he would LOVE it, even so I'm still thankful for what he did and it was the set that he did when he was in canada at hullabaloo WEMF stage 1999 that really made me saw another side of trance and that was really recently! i'm not a fan of hard dance but he really opened up new doors to me!!
He was at a cyberdog launch party as Scott Atrill recently for his new album I wanted to go there and tell him how much I loved him as vinylgroover but i guess if he wants to move on then he can because he probably doesnt want to be recognised as VG anymore which is a real shame because I LOVED what he did apparently though it was trixxy who engineered all of the tracks but it makes me wonder if he didn't like hardcore why was he doing so many tracks? especially considering his were really happy and not hard dance for example if Gammer said he never really liked hardcore and that his passion was hard dance I could understand that because of all the hard tracks he does but with VG I just can't help but be confused because the tracks were so atypical happy hardcore, COME BACK VINYLGROOVER :(
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 17:12:38
I think I never did show you guys what he answered me back when i sent him a message on myspace, but alas here it is (again);
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Hi mate, that is tricky indeed??? I stopped making Hardcore in 1999 as i wanted to move onto other things, I owned most of my catalog so have kept the rights. I haven't made my old songs available to digital at all, i basically have not had time and i am now involved in making other music styles so not thought too much about this? That's the way i look at the to be honest, i totally disagree with any file sharing though & always think if you like an artist and their music then you should always support them by purchasing legitimate copies of their productions and albums etc.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Samination
To: Scott Attrill aka Vinylgroover
Date: 03 May 2009, 08:07
Subject: A Tricky Question
Hi Scott.
A while ago (maybe longer than that but), you used to produce Happy Hardcore under various aliases. I can't say I've heard alot of your tracks I got into the current Hardcore scene after your departure, but those tracks I've heard where quite nice.
But here's my question?
Do you know of the word Abandonware? It's not a very used word outside the gaming & application development, but it's used by some well known companies. To my knowledge, Abandonware is a game or programme that the producer has stopped updating and supporting, or sells. This usually means that the game or programme dissapears into the deep nothingness. Usually most of the developers doesn't like that they end up on various filesharing sites, but some actually do something else. Some companies, will take Take2 as an example, has made Grand Theft Auto 1 and 2 free for download on their homepage, under the promises that they are not to be shared further. Team17 also lets a fansite host some of their older Commendore Amiga games under the same promise that the end-user wouldn't share it further. To make a more relative comparison, Luna-C has on later days allowed people to fileshare the whole backcat of his labels, except for those records that's still being pressed (but that might be because his views on the music scene).
So, I just basicly want you're view on this. Do you consider your Happy Hardcore songs to be Abandonware?
I know that this propably isn't a question an artist gets everyday, but I'd always wanted to know peoples opinion on this matter, as I think the whole thing about piracy has become way to rotten.
If you where to answer (I hope you do, I don't mind if you tell me to bugger off haha), do you mind if I post this on happyhardcore.com? If not, may I atleast tell them, in short words, what you said?
From *, a fan of late Happy Hardcore & early UK Hardcore
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2010/08/27 : 18:46:43
Save for new cdjs vs a new hip... older djs have tougher choices these days
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Sam Swift
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Posted - 2010/08/28 : 04:48:55
Sounds like he just grew out of the scene and wanted something different. I don't think he hated hardcore like some people say. For someone to hate a genre and be writing and producing it for 5 years as well as running a few Hardcore labels would be pretty hard lol.
His main label WORLD OF OBSESSION went for over 30 releases which is a lot for a Hardcore Record Label.
Maybe one day he'll decide to dable in it again. I'm sure he must bump into all the Hardcore djs at events and like some of the stuff they play.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/08/28 : 06:47:41
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Originally posted by Sam Swift:
I'm sure he must bump into all the Hardcore djs at events and like some of the stuff they play.
some of them are still friends with him. i remember watching a pair of youtube vids of brisk & ham's gig in Cali and they met up with Scott Attril and i'm guessing they hung out with him. I think Kevin Energy was in that video too.
i don't think anyone is really bitter or angry with him for leaving, and the way he left anymore. if the man wasn't feeling hardcore anymore then it's better for him to leave and produce what he likes rather than just keep producing hardcore where he wouldn't put enough heart and soul into it and it ends up sounding like crap
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kathryn
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Posted - 2010/08/28 : 09:04:39
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Originally posted by Sam Swift:
Just been listening to a few Vinylgroover productions and dj sets. Was really a top notch producer as well as dj. Is such a shame he left the Hardcore scene. Is one producer that would do very well back making Hardcore again. Not really a fan of his hardhouse stuff at all.
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2010/08/28 : 19:24:28
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Originally posted by Samination:
I think I never did show you guys what he answered me back when i sent him a message on myspace, but alas here it is (again);
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Hi mate, that is tricky indeed??? I stopped making Hardcore in 1999 as i wanted to move onto other things, I owned most of my catalog so have kept the rights. I haven't made my old songs available to digital at all, i basically have not had time and i am now involved in making other music styles so not thought too much about this? That's the way i look at the to be honest, i totally disagree with any file sharing though & always think if you like an artist and their music then you should always support them by purchasing legitimate copies of their productions and albums etc.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Samination
To: Scott Attrill aka Vinylgroover
Date: 03 May 2009, 08:07
Subject: A Tricky Question
Hi Scott.
A while ago (maybe longer than that but), you used to produce Happy Hardcore under various aliases. I can't say I've heard alot of your tracks I got into the current Hardcore scene after your departure, but those tracks I've heard where quite nice.
But here's my question?
Do you know of the word Abandonware? It's not a very used word outside the gaming & application development, but it's used by some well known companies. To my knowledge, Abandonware is a game or programme that the producer has stopped updating and supporting, or sells. This usually means that the game or programme dissapears into the deep nothingness. Usually most of the developers doesn't like that they end up on various filesharing sites, but some actually do something else. Some companies, will take Take2 as an example, has made Grand Theft Auto 1 and 2 free for download on their homepage, under the promises that they are not to be shared further. Team17 also lets a fansite host some of their older Commendore Amiga games under the same promise that the end-user wouldn't share it further. To make a more relative comparison, Luna-C has on later days allowed people to fileshare the whole backcat of his labels, except for those records that's still being pressed (but that might be because his views on the music scene).
So, I just basicly want you're view on this. Do you consider your Happy Hardcore songs to be Abandonware?
I know that this propably isn't a question an artist gets everyday, but I'd always wanted to know peoples opinion on this matter, as I think the whole thing about piracy has become way to rotten.
If you where to answer (I hope you do, I don't mind if you tell me to bugger off haha), do you mind if I post this on happyhardcore.com? If not, may I atleast tell them, in short words, what you said?
From *, a fan of late Happy Hardcore & early UK Hardcore
And where do you get he didn't like hardcore from that reply?
But back on topic,i remember reading on the home page about 2004ish,a back headline "vinylgroover back doing hardcore" and he was playing at some event doing a hardcore set,i can also remember there was no other big artists on the line up as i hadn't heard of anyone else but him,but anyway at the time i remember thinking vinylgroover trying to jump on the hardcore bandwagon again just because its booming and he trying to slip back in again to make a quick buck,but i don't know as i havn't heard of him since doing hardcore so i guess it was a 1 of type of thing or it didn't go to well r he wasn't welcome back
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/28 : 20:41:34
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
I think I never did show you guys what he answered me back when i sent him a message on myspace, but alas here it is (again);
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Hi mate, that is tricky indeed??? I stopped making Hardcore in 1999 as i wanted to move onto other things, I owned most of my catalog so have kept the rights. I haven't made my old songs available to digital at all, i basically have not had time and i am now involved in making other music styles so not thought too much about this? That's the way i look at the to be honest, i totally disagree with any file sharing though & always think if you like an artist and their music then you should always support them by purchasing legitimate copies of their productions and albums etc.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Samination
To: Scott Attrill aka Vinylgroover
Date: 03 May 2009, 08:07
Subject: A Tricky Question
Hi Scott.
A while ago (maybe longer than that but), you used to produce Happy Hardcore under various aliases. I can't say I've heard alot of your tracks I got into the current Hardcore scene after your departure, but those tracks I've heard where quite nice.
But here's my question?
Do you know of the word Abandonware? It's not a very used word outside the gaming & application development, but it's used by some well known companies. To my knowledge, Abandonware is a game or programme that the producer has stopped updating and supporting, or sells. This usually means that the game or programme dissapears into the deep nothingness. Usually most of the developers doesn't like that they end up on various filesharing sites, but some actually do something else. Some companies, will take Take2 as an example, has made Grand Theft Auto 1 and 2 free for download on their homepage, under the promises that they are not to be shared further. Team17 also lets a fansite host some of their older Commendore Amiga games under the same promise that the end-user wouldn't share it further. To make a more relative comparison, Luna-C has on later days allowed people to fileshare the whole backcat of his labels, except for those records that's still being pressed (but that might be because his views on the music scene).
So, I just basicly want you're view on this. Do you consider your Happy Hardcore songs to be Abandonware?
I know that this propably isn't a question an artist gets everyday, but I'd always wanted to know peoples opinion on this matter, as I think the whole thing about piracy has become way to rotten.
If you where to answer (I hope you do, I don't mind if you tell me to bugger off haha), do you mind if I post this on happyhardcore.com? If not, may I atleast tell them, in short words, what you said?
From *, a fan of late Happy Hardcore & early UK Hardcore
And where do you get he didn't like hardcore from that reply?
But back on topic,i remember reading on the home page about 2004ish,a back headline "vinylgroover back doing hardcore" and he was playing at some event doing a hardcore set,i can also remember there was no other big artists on the line up as i hadn't heard of anyone else but him,but anyway at the time i remember thinking vinylgroover trying to jump on the hardcore bandwagon again just because its booming and he trying to slip back in again to make a quick buck,but i don't know as i havn't heard of him since doing hardcore so i guess it was a 1 of type of thing or it didn't go to well r he wasn't welcome back
Now you mention it I remember a friend of mine saying she had vinylgroover play for them recently and that he lived in portsmouth. Might be thinking of someone else though..but yeah actually I can't see him hating hardcore! Definitley will say that by listening to some of his later sets you could hear him creeping into trance more!
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/08/29 : 05:29:57
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
But back on topic,i remember reading on the home page about 2004ish,a back headline "vinylgroover back doing hardcore" and he was playing at some event doing a hardcore set,i can also remember there was no other big artists on the line up as i hadn't heard of anyone else but him,but anyway at the time i remember thinking vinylgroover trying to jump on the hardcore bandwagon again just because its booming and he trying to slip back in again to make a quick buck,but i don't know as i havn't heard of him since doing hardcore so i guess it was a 1 of type of thing or it didn't go to well r he wasn't welcome back
i remember reading that post as well on here too. i even asked the happyhourradio about it if they knew anything b/c anabolic kept in touch w/ what was going on here and he knew nothing about it. he could've just been paid well to do a hardcore set or he did it as a favor and someone there believed it was his attempt at a comeback
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