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H3RO
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 Posted - 2010/08/07 : 23:59:16
So when I see tracks where there are two producers, i.e. Breeze and Styles, what roles does each producer play in producing the track? Do they split up the parts, i.e. one makes the melody and the bassline whilst the other does all the percussion and effects? Or do they both contribute on everything? This is kind of random but I've always been curious.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 00:13:09
Producers don't necessarily make the tracks, the engineer makes the tracks, someone who produces the tracks may just give ideas/a big say in how the track goes, the engineer actually gets to work in cubase or whatnot and does it.
To take a nice example, Billy Bunter has never engineered a track and he says himself yet you will find his name on a number of tracks. He may have contributed a single idea or he may have planned the track from start to finish and wanted someone else to do the handywork.
Billy Bunter is one example of many producers who don't make tracks themselves, he will openly admit that (did it on twitter about a month ago). There are many, many more but I don't really want to say it here because I might get them wrong/it also isn't really any of my business, I don't want to poo on someones reputation or something.
it's not a shameful thing or anything that has to be hidden (you can normally find the engineer on the label of vinyls) but I don't wanna say something like ____ doesn't/can't make tracks when in fact they can.
they play equal parts though, some engineers might have great technical knowledge but may not be good at writing music itself which is where a producer comes into play. Maybe the producer will do both the writing and the engineering. Loads of stuff really, both of equal importance.
I'm really treading on eggshells here because I don't want to offend any producers/engineers so if someone more opinionated thinks I'm being perhaps too reasonable, then...that's just how it is really.
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H3RO
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 00:17:57
I got you. So, for example, Breeze and Styles could just be telling the engineer what to do?
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 00:20:27
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Originally posted by H3RO:
I got you. So, for example, Breeze and Styles could just be telling the engineer what to do?
The engineer will be either breeze or styles. In the case of Breeze and Styles they are a very talented duo who I believe are skilled at production and engineering. But with duos a lot of the time one will be a producer, the other an engineer. But there's no set way of doing things.
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catlikethief
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 00:32:07
When it comes to song-writers using engineers, there are no secrets!! In the credits of all releases, if it wasn't engineered by the producer then under "produced by:" it will say "engineered by:".
There is nothing to be embarrassed about if you can't engineer music. There's no reason why people who write amazing tunes can't hire an engineer to help them reach their vision!!
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 00:41:41
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Originally posted by catlikethief:
When it comes to song-writers using engineers, there are no secrets!! In the credits of all releases, if it wasn't engineered by the producer then under "produced by:" it will say "engineered by:".
There is nothing to be embarrassed about if you can't engineer music. There's no reason why people who write amazing tunes can't hire an engineer to help them reach their vision!!
I agree totally! But it could be quite a sensitive issue that might cause rumours if I got it wrong so I would rather just not say anything. But yep, indeed! If anyone wants to do their own research just look on the label or whatever the digital comparison to that is, and you'll see.
In the end whether it's engineered and written by Hixxy on his own or engineered and written by everyone in S-Club 7 a good hardcore tune is a good hardcore tune!
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bouncingraver
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 01:18:24
Everybody is a producer these days all you have to do ias pay a couple of 100 to go to Joey or Kurt's and your name is on a trackit means nothing these days and unfortunately ruins the "title" for the talent that deserve it.
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I got you. So, for example, Breeze and Styles could just be telling the engineer what to do?
They would both work at the track. I have sat with my fella and watched him make tracks with people and Ideas and studio work is done by both parties
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 01:50:17
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Originally posted by catlikethief:
There is nothing to be embarrassed about if you can't engineer music. There's no reason why people who write amazing tunes can't hire an engineer to help them reach their vision!!
This is the reason of why engineers exist in the first place!
Most writing nowadays is a mixture of composing and engineering though so I believe the distinction should be clear to the begin with whether you're composing music (making melodies, building up the percussion, writing lyrics and arrangement) versus engineering (Making sounds from scratch, using compressors to get a tighter sound, EQ's etc.) as each activity has it's own mindset. Like I said though, the composing and engineering actually blur together when for example you start fiddling with a synth sound or something and it inspires you to make an actual melody or the other way around, you have just made a melody and decide the midi or automating needs some fine tuning. In the case of Breeze and Styles it is a known fact that both write songs and engineer so when they produce it could be them two just bouncing ideas off each other.
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 11:00:42
Under Project Industrial I produce together with a mate of mine. It's either one of us, or we sit down together and throw in our idea's. I would make a kick and he is like, mehh we can improve it like this and that and you get a nice end result that we both worked on. I dont get why neko brought up the whole engineering stuff as that is not the question I guess. If multiple people are titled as author of the track you can assume they both had influence on the creation of the track in question. Wether the one done the first half and the other finished it off or they actually done it all together bouncing off on eachothers ideas does not really matter.
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H3RO
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 16:02:49
Ok cool. So they just do it however they want. That's pretty sweet. Haha thanks for the input guys.
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choonland
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 17:34:42
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Producers don't necessarily make the tracks, the engineer makes the tracks, someone who produces the tracks may just give ideas/a big say in how the track goes, the engineer actually gets to work in cubase or whatnot and does it.
thats SO wrong...
we have to make a distinction here:
Standard music vs. Electronic music
in standard music industry you have musician and producer
the musician creates the music, basically, like fundabounce said: the "composition"
the he goes to the studio and works with the producer to make the actual recordings.
and its the producer job to work any further arrangements, details, etc. to get the final product. This way you could say the producer is the same engineer since he has to hadle all the hardware stuff.
in electronic music, the "musical instrument" of the artist is the software pack he uses, in which he has to handle mixers, effects, filters, etc.etc.... pretty much the same hardware stuff that a "real" producer uses. so that might be the reason why electronic music artists call them selves "producers". they are not just composing music, but producing it.
so you NekoShuffle saying that in hardcore producers don't make tracks, is terribly wrong!producer do all the hard work, the engineer only does the final tunning and mastering stuff so the track can be sold commercially.
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 17:54:07
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Originally posted by choonland:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Producers don't necessarily make the tracks, the engineer makes the tracks, someone who produces the tracks may just give ideas/a big say in how the track goes, the engineer actually gets to work in cubase or whatnot and does it.
so you NekoShuffle saying that in hardcore producers don't make tracks, is terribly wrong!producer do all the hard work, the engineer only does the final tunning and mastering stuff so the track can be sold commercially.
I didn't say that. Read it again! "Necessarily"
No offence but I think you've got it the wrong way around. Take a look:
http://www.discogs.com/Billy-Daniel-Bunter-JDS-Come-Alive-Voyage/release/185569
Credits
Engineer - MC*
Producer, Written-By - Billy Bunter* , J.D.S.
Vocals - Corelle
So billy bunter made the track and MC (AKA Justin Time, Helix etc.) just added the finishing touches?? We all know that's not correct!
Like I also said, most of the time there is an equal amount of work done by both parties!
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:But there's no set way of doing things.
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 18:52:12
i swear matt carlton needs more recognition - he did so many great tracks, in so many different genres
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 18:57:43
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i swear matt carlton needs more recognition - he did so many great tracks, in so many different genres
totally man, I dunno when he plans to do it but kutski was saying that he wants to do a bit of a showcase of the xy² records label on his Radio 1 show, so we'll prob hear a lot of stuff MC has done as Helix on there which will be pretty cool!
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choonland
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 21:15:05
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
No offence but I think you've got it the wrong way around. Take a look:
http://www.discogs.com/Billy-Daniel-Bunter-JDS-Come-Alive-Voyage/release/185569
Credits
Engineer - MC*
Producer, Written-By - Billy Bunter* , J.D.S.
Vocals - Corelle
So billy bunter made the track and MC (AKA Justin Time, Helix etc.) just added the finishing touches?? We all know that's not correct!
Like I also said, most of the time there is an equal amount of work done by both parties!
I stick to what I said mate,
if MC would have had a real part in the composition of the music, he would have been credited as another writer/producer, and not as the engineer...
the fact that a well know artist appears as the engineer doesn't mean that he "made" the track
many artists with good experince an good studio equipment often offer their services to engineer other's people tracks, that, again, doesn't mean the tracks they engineer are their creation.
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 21:22:50
here's an analogy so you understand:
when a writer writes a book, he then has to pass it over to the editor who is going to fix any mistakes and make sure everthing is perfect and ready for printing.
that doesn't mean that the editor is a co-autor of the book.
is the same with music, think the engineer as the editor ;)
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