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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,504 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2010/08/05 : 18:57:39
Back in the early 90s England had one of the greatest rave scenes in the world. Anthems where thrown into the sets of every event in every location be it a tent/ field set up or the warehouse. Ravers where uniting on E with hands in the air to many styles of rave.
It seems Scotland only really toke off around 1993 & there was a very big differnce from the English Breakbeat sound (spliting between Happy Hardcore & Jungle) & the Scottish sound that had similarities to the Dutch scene that itself was in full swing at the time.
I wopuld say when it comes to tunage, England was the top place in 1991 until 1994 & Scotland between 1993 until 1996. They then merged around 1997. It has been UK Hardcore since then and the old days of 'local scenes' has died out.
Anway, here is a selection of some favorites of mine:
SPOOX Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,644 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2010/08/05 : 23:14:21
You really bore me to death with these kinds of posts. It's like you read Wikipedia or something then type up your own version of what you read here followed by constant video posting. Video posting that several people have said pisses them off yet you still continue to do it in almost all your posts.
I personally think you have no idea what your talking about. As if the Scottish scene was bigger than the English scene in the mid 90's when Happy Hardcore was at it's strongest. Has the Scottish rave scene ever been bigger than the English scene?
Finally no i won't be listen to the videos but i'm sure your continue using them everytime you post something.
Future_Shock Advanced Member
Australia
2,483 posts Joined: Apr, 2007
Posted - 2010/08/06 : 11:51:50
quote:Originally posted by SPOOX:
You really bore me to death with these kinds of posts. It's like you read Wikipedia or something then type up your own version of what you read here followed by constant video posting. Video posting that several people have said pisses them off yet you still continue to do it in almost all your posts.
I personally think you have no idea what your talking about. As if the Scottish scene was bigger than the English scene in the mid 90's when Happy Hardcore was at it's strongest. Has the Scottish rave scene ever been bigger than the English scene?
Finally no i won't be listen to the videos but i'm sure your continue using them everytime you post something.
+1
Especially considering as smoogie wasn't listening to old skool since before he was 10 (which is how old he was in '97, let alone EARLY 90's) none of this is first hand experience... which means yeah it was probably drawn from wikipedia or something.
And smoogie your english is AWFUL.
You're 23 mate. Toke? You've got to be kidding me.
Alert moderatorEdited by - Future_Shock on 2010/08/06 11:54:13
GrahamC Advanced Member
United Kingdom
598 posts Joined: Dec, 2007
Posted - 2010/08/06 : 13:09:39
quote:Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
quote:Originally posted by SPOOX:
You really bore me to death with these kinds of posts. It's like you read Wikipedia or something then type up your own version of what you read here followed by constant video posting. Video posting that several people have said pisses them off yet you still continue to do it in almost all your posts.
I personally think you have no idea what your talking about. As if the Scottish scene was bigger than the English scene in the mid 90's when Happy Hardcore was at it's strongest. Has the Scottish rave scene ever been bigger than the English scene?
Finally no i won't be listen to the videos but i'm sure your continue using them everytime you post something.
+1
Especially considering as smoogie wasn't listening to old skool since before he was 10 (which is how old he was in '97, let alone EARLY 90's) none of this is first hand experience... which means yeah it was probably drawn from wikipedia or something.
And smoogie your english is AWFUL.
You're 23 mate. Toke? You've got to be kidding me.
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2010/08/06 : 14:30:33
quote:Originally posted by GrahamC:
quote:Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
quote:Originally posted by SPOOX:
You really bore me to death with these kinds of posts. It's like you read Wikipedia or something then type up your own version of what you read here followed by constant video posting. Video posting that several people have said pisses them off yet you still continue to do it in almost all your posts.
I personally think you have no idea what your talking about. As if the Scottish scene was bigger than the English scene in the mid 90's when Happy Hardcore was at it's strongest. Has the Scottish rave scene ever been bigger than the English scene?
Finally no i won't be listen to the videos but i'm sure your continue using them everytime you post something.
+1
Especially considering as smoogie wasn't listening to old skool since before he was 10 (which is how old he was in '97, let alone EARLY 90's) none of this is first hand experience... which means yeah it was probably drawn from wikipedia or something.
And smoogie your english is AWFUL.
You're 23 mate. Toke? You've got to be kidding me.
ferocious New Member
United Kingdom
74 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
Posted - 2010/08/06 : 14:37:32
quote:Originally posted by SPOOX:
I personally think you have no idea what your talking about. As if the Scottish scene was bigger than the English scene in the mid 90's when Happy Hardcore was at it's strongest. Has the Scottish rave scene ever been bigger than the English scene?
Actually it was. It would be impossible to now accurately measure but something was even mentioned in the "Encyclopaedia of Contemporary British Culture" under the category rave culture that it appeared to be the biggest in Scotland than anywhere else.
One only need consider i) English scene had been there done that ii) the English scene was now fragmented with different music by the mid-1990s iii) the English happy scene was so strong in the mid 90s that it suddenly switching styles and looking to Scott Brown for ideas as he was selling a lot and playing over in Europe. I think you display ignorance by your "as if" remark of what happened then.
English happy raves did not draw close to 18,000 crowds - unlike in Scotland - despite a 10:1 population ratio. The days of English raves drawing those sort of crowds was over due to musical progression since the early 1990s splitting the crowds into tighter dedicated events. Even then big English raves like Helter Sketler were mixed arena raves with the much bigger jungle style on top.
English happy in the mid 90's was also fragmented between old breakbeat heads like Slipmatt, and the newcomer looking to Scott Brown as his stuff was the seller and evidentially a big draw. The English happy scene would not have suddenly changed music if it was so strong. No reason. Brown also said they did it as they wanted to play and sell in Scotland.
You had many happy fans leave English raves due to these changes, which has been omitted from history. The amount of labels, sales and raves was also down. Luna C said it was over "End of an Era" (1996) due to this change. No sales. Not a sign of strength. Also you had some English ravers moaning on Brown's forum that his style had ruined English happy.
As said the sales were high in Scotland. HMV regional breakdown sales said the commercial Bonkers still shifts the higher numbers in Scotland and that they cannot even give it away in the south of England. Again, that is no surprise as it is not a rooted English style. It's an evolved Scottish style. The English rooted style is breakbeat.
Nothing wrong with English happy but 99.9% of the time none of the chat has anything to do with the true thing, piano breakbeat, and rather the mid 1990s switch and go era.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,504 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2010/08/06 : 18:10:12
quote:Originally posted by ferocious:
Actually it was. It would be impossible to now accurately measure but something was even mentioned in the "Encyclopaedia of Contemporary British Culture" under the category rave culture that it appeared to be the biggest in Scotland than anywhere else.
One only need consider i) English scene had been there done that ii) the English scene was now fragmented with different music by the mid-1990s iii) the English happy scene was so strong in the mid 90s that it suddenly switching styles and looking to Scott Brown for ideas as he was selling a lot and playing over in Europe. I think you display ignorance by your "as if" remark of what happened then.
English happy raves did not draw close to 18,000 crowds - unlike in Scotland - despite a 10:1 population ratio. The days of English raves drawing those sort of crowds was over due to musical progression since the early 1990s splitting the crowds into tighter dedicated events. Even then big English raves like Helter Sketler were mixed arena raves with the much bigger jungle style on top.
English happy in the mid 90's was also fragmented between old breakbeat heads like Slipmatt, and the newcomer looking to Scott Brown as his stuff was the seller and evidentially a big draw. The English happy scene would not have suddenly changed music if it was so strong. No reason. Brown also said they did it as they wanted to play and sell in Scotland.
You had many happy fans leave English raves due to these changes, which has been omitted from history. The amount of labels, sales and raves was also down. Luna C said it was over "End of an Era" (1996) due to this change. No sales. Not a sign of strength. Also you had some English ravers moaning on Brown's forum that his style had ruined English happy.
As said the sales were high in Scotland. HMV regional breakdown sales said the commercial Bonkers still shifts the higher numbers in Scotland and that they cannot even give it away in the south of England. Again, that is no surprise as it is not a rooted English style. It's an evolved Scottish style. The English rooted style is breakbeat.
Nothing wrong with English happy but 99.9% of the time none of the chat has anything to do with the true thing, piano breakbeat, and rather the mid 1990s switch and go era.
Finally, someone who has decided to make a good discussion rather than just moaning about my youtube vids
iano New Member
United Kingdom
37 posts Joined: Dec, 2008
Posted - 2010/08/06 : 19:52:45
Scottish Old Skool was the best in my opinion. Bouncy Techno (which I class as Old Skool Scottish Hardcore) is by far the greatest EDM variant ever.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/08/06 : 22:02:49
Well, I think what needed to be said has already been said but personally i don't really see the point in doing all this VS stuff. scotland vs england, england vs australia and so on, i think you may find yourself being less open to new things when you put more labels and barriers up for yourself.
from those vids I'm not particularly keen on the scottish ones, they have more of a dark edge than the english ones.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,504 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2010/08/07 : 10:16:40
quote:Originally posted by The Doc:
Rezerection? Scottish and 1991!
Rez was said to have Started in Newcastle in North East England. Newcastle and Scotland shared the same scenes. Really I think parts of NE England should be given to Scotland & you can get from Edinburgh to Newcastle by train within the hour.
Wikipedia states the Scottish scene died when rez did in 1997. By that time people like Hixxy had invaded Scotland while some of Scotland's biggest names such as Scott Brown & Marc Smith where playing in England.
Ionosphere Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,750 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2010/08/07 : 17:12:34
Funnily enough, DJ EE (aka. Ian Rushmore of the Ionosphere crew) DJ'd at 'Earthquaker' arguably Scotland's biggest and best ever rave
in 1991 or 92 (he can't remember exactly which year it was as everything's a bit blurry from that period.... )
and yes, Scottish Hardcore was good back then but even he won't say that it was 'better'.
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