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DJ_FunDaBounce
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 Posted - 2010/08/05 : 04:35:09
As Naturatech said, learn some music theory. After all it's not all about random sounds (even though modern hardcore may feel like it sometimes with all the effects and stuff). There is still a basic musical composition behind it all. I think modern music has reached a point where the traditional concepts of playing an instrument aren't the main focus anymore and that's cool in my opinion but you still need some proper foundations with which to construct your works.
also, try to see the distinction between composing music and engineering it.
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H3RO
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Posted - 2010/08/05 : 06:20:21
What everyone else is saying is pretty much true. It takes time, and you need to learn the basics. Another thing you have to keep in mind, is just because you're pretty good at mixing hardcore, doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be good at producing it. Music production isn't just plugging stuff into software and tada it's a number one hit. It takes a decent amount of musical inclination. I'm not saying you don't have it in you, I'm just trying to say to not get your hopes up too high. Especially if you don't have a background in music. So that's where I would start. Music theory will help any and all aspiring musicians. It's stuff you need to know.
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2010/08/05 : 07:37:50
naturatech said it all.. best to go with thim.. example of my time till becoming something.
first track - took 1 year.. loved it back in the time now i think it sucks
first time asked on label - took 4 year
first vinyl release - took 9.. even almost 10 year
nuff said ;) take your time
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/08/05 : 20:11:31
I agree with everything that Naturatech said =).
Well u dont have 2 think about music 24/7. If theres something more important 2 do, do it, and if u get bored of thinking and thinking of music, think about something else.
About music theory, one of the most important and lil more difficult is the harmony. The thing is about chords and it tells u how u should build the bassline, pads and how u can combine melodies and stuff. Sometimes u can use a thing called "disharmony".
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H3RO
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Posted - 2010/08/06 : 00:28:26
Disharmony? I believe it's dissonance. That's awesome for build ups. Dissonant chords are way fun to play with. Hah.
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z121231211
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Posted - 2010/08/06 : 00:43:08
I guess I'm in the same situation, only I just started.
Just like anything, keep playing around until you make something that sounds good (good to you, at the very least). You can only get better.
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Phenex
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Posted - 2010/08/06 : 02:47:18
Nobody can learn it in a month, nor half a year. Mixing requires a skilled trained ear and I'm sorry, but there's just no way someone can get good at mixing within half a year. Too much stuff to be learned. Takes years to get good at this.
If you want to make music then do this exactly:
Find a song that you like
Insert it in your DAW (I'm guessing FL?)
Copy the melodies by ear as good as you can
Copy the sounds by ear as good as you can (here's where you'll have to dig through a lot of presets and samples to even come close)
Copy the arrangement
Hopefully by now you'll have a close copy of the track you inserted, barring maybe vocals and the sounds.
Do this with 3-4 tracks and you'll start noticing a lot of similarities.
If you're trying to learn everything at once, like for example music theory, you'll get stuck really fast. Music theory has its place, but it's not until you can do things by ear that I would recommend learning it.
Learning production is a process that takes a long time and there will be a few areas that you'll have to become good at:
Arrangement - to get the track to flow in a natural way
Composition (melodies) - to get the music to sound in key and interesting
Listening - to pick out details in other people's tracks, so you can improve your own tracks. Also to find the right sounds and presets and learning when a melody is out of key.
Mixing (and arranging to let the mix shine) - to get the music to sound professional
Synthesis - to create new sounds from scratch or modify old ones
There's a lot more to add on that list, but those are basically the main areas, with Arrangement, Composition and Listening being the most important ones.
Always remember:
Nobody gets magically good at making music. Everybody has learned by copying ideas from others, so don't hesitate to do that. That's a prerequisite of having a genre.
Hope this helps!
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/08/06 : 11:58:05
mixing completely itself will take you YEARS to master. I've been doing it for 4 or 5 years now and there are still areas i want to improve on.
Hardcore isn't the greatest example of mixing though imo, because everything is compressed to the ********
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/08/06 : 21:14:49
quote:
Originally posted by H3RO:
Disharmony? I believe it's dissonance. That's awesome for build ups. Dissonant chords are way fun to play with. Hah.
Lol, I couldnt find it in a dictionary.
The thing that the only starting chord (or single bass note) plays for a while and then suddenly changes.
Example 1 (only verse parts):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwYMJNO8vR4
Example 2 (from 1:55 until it starts changing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJlxAv26R0s
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/08/06 : 21:34:36
quote:
Originally posted by Phenex:
Nobody can learn it in a month, nor half a year.
I learned very much in lil more than a half year =).
quote:
Originally posted by Phenex:
If you want to make music then do this exactly:
Find a song that you like
Insert it in your DAW (I'm guessing FL?)
Copy the melodies by ear as good as you can
Copy the sounds by ear as good as you can (here's where you'll have to dig through a lot of presets and samples to even come close)
Copy the arrangement
Good point, but I dont think its always necessary. I never did that lol.
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Originally posted by Phenex:
If you're trying to learn everything at once, like for example music theory, you'll get stuck really fast. Music theory has its place, but it's not until you can do things by ear that I would recommend learning it.
I agree. =)
About music theory, well you don't have to open a text-book and start learning everything like in school. Be lil more casual about that.
Harmony, as I said, is 1 of the main things. As for repeating, u dont need much education 4 that.
I knew about harmony for a few months before I figured out how its called. And I also know some other techniques and I dont know how theyre officially called xD.
Oh, and official definitions can sometimes make things more difficult for you. If defifition doesnt fit u, try 2 figure out ur own.
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Originally posted by Phenex:
Learning production is a process that takes a long time and there will be a few areas that you'll have to become good at:
Arrangement - to get the track to flow in a natural way
Composition (melodies) - to get the music to sound in key and interesting
Listening - to pick out details in other people's tracks, so you can improve your own tracks. Also to find the right sounds and presets and learning when a melody is out of key.
Mixing (and arranging to let the mix shine) - to get the music to sound professional
Synthesis - to create new sounds from scratch or modify old ones
There's a lot more to add on that list, but those are basically the main areas, with Arrangement, Composition and Listening being the most important ones.
Always remember:
Nobody gets magically good at making music. Everybody has learned by copying ideas from others, so don't hesitate to do that. That's a prerequisite of having a genre.
Hope this helps!
An awesome post, Phenex =). Well done.
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