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Sweet As
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 Posted - 2010/05/09 : 08:46:24
Hardcore will never be considered club music Wilky. Just because Hardcore events are held at clubs it does'nt mean that it's part of the clubscene. Heck I've heard punk bands play at clubs. I guess you'd consider punk rock club music too. Yeah it's played at clubs man. Must be club music. I guess if they have country music played in a club it's club music too.
Rave nights can be held at clubs too. Does'nt mean it's club music. As for the over reaction, you started with the names and being a rude prick!!! Don't start crap with people by calling them names just because they disagree with you. Because that's what you do.
You can't take, it but you love to dish it out!!!
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Sweet As
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Posted - 2010/05/09 : 08:48:06
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Originally posted by manic:
I started off in going to clubs in 1990 and started raving in 1994. Both are mutually exclusive cultures. I like most genres between 130bpm and 175bpm, but, my true love is hardcore. Over the years i have met many people both in the club scene and the rave scene. I like to look at this at the point of view of the promoter. Most raves in Sydney that I goto nowdays get about 3,000. Back in 1996 when Ultrasonic and Alien Factory played at MDMA 2, they had to construct a marque that held 10,000 ravers. You just could not fit that amount of ravers in a club. Clubs are by far more intimate atmosphere and you will hear a wider variety of genres than at a rave. Those people that believe that a rave promoter would hold an event in a club that is likely to attract 3,000 ravers are kidding themselves. They would lose over half of their intended customers because most are under 18. And vice versa, do u honestly think a club promoter would put on an event a place like Acer Arena, the venue for the basketball finals of the Sydney Olympics, when they know they would have to organise a shit load of internationals to get a crowd. Club promoters draw the crowd cause they provide genres which are popular for older people and they earn money off both the bar and the door price. However, the majority of a rave promoters revenue comes from ticket sales. Another big difference between promoting at a club and a rave is that of public liability. One of the biggest cost of a rave is the public liability insurance, whereas in a club, the owner of the club bears all the liability. You would find this is the major reason why a rave is held in a club.
Another thing to consider is the vibe of the two cultures. Nothing i have experienced back in 94-96 at raves compares with anything i have experienced over the years i've been clubbing and raving. Clubs have a completely different vibe. This is directly related to the type of personalities that go to a club. The people that go clubbing are often of a higher social economic status than compared to ravers. This is mainly due to clubbers being well established in their careers since they are older. Ravers have a more care free attitude than compared to clubbers and are often less judge mental than clubbers.
At a rave where u hear many different genres they are all in different rooms. I may have got this wrong, but, there seems to be some comments here that suggest that clubs play different genres in the same room. A rave promoter would never do that because different genres attract different crowds and you would lose potential customers by using just one room.
Also, as has been said, genres with much harder base lines are heard at raves. Whereas, softer baselines are mainly heard in clubs.
Also, one may go to a club that plays rave music, but, not all clubs play rave music. Most clubs play that commercial dance crap to the mainstream, thank god i found raves. Most people don't listen to techno. Most listen to what the mainstream commercial radio stations play and this is what they like to hear when they go to clubs. You would never hear commercial dance at a rave.
To say that clubbing and raving is the same is like saying god is the devil. To say that, you don't understand the fundamentals of both cultures.
WELL SAID MANIC!
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Jimouk
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Posted - 2010/05/13 : 18:10:29
I would never go to a Trance Energy event
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manic
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Posted - 2010/05/15 : 09:28:54
"don't know where you pulled the bit about clubers being older and established in careers. In sydney, 75+% of clubbers would be between 18-21. I would guess that is the same over the world.
Also, there are a few on here that say the events powerhouse hosts are not strictly raves. One person in particular said if you have to pay more than a token entrance fee to be part of it, its not a rave in the classic sense." Lilley
I went to a club last night and most people there were 25-35. You would not get that same audience at a rave, where most ticket holders are 16-19. I've been to clubs in London, Singapore, Auckland and Copenhagen and most of the clubbers there were between 25-35.
As far as paying a token price and it's a classic rave, I would argue strongly that it is the vibe of the party that makes it a rave regardless of price. I've been to raves that range from nothing and some just haven't had the same vibe as other parties i've paid over $100 like Defqon. Some of the best vibes I have experienced have been at Powerhouse Parties. If they are not raves how else would you describe them?
Plus Sam is keeping the scene alive by putting on parties that bring big name internationals out that draw a crowd. Do u honestly expect him to charge a token price and make more of a loss than what he has presently done for at least the last three parties he has put on?
If it is a party that you have enjoyed going too and had a good vibe, you quickly forget what price you paid to get in. Hell, I have enjoyed parties put on by Sam when I paid full price than those compared to when i was getting in as a plus one to many of Sam's parties.
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