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Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/08 : 16:32:16
I was letting my mind wander, I had forgot my headphones. sitting on the train looking out the window, a thought came to my head. I was so shocked and appalled by this thought, i was wondering if the thought police would come and drag me off to room 101. After a bit of considering, i decided it might be safe to share this thought, to come clean and bare all.
I say this to the underground artists out there, the ones who are not afraid to try new things, break up the norm for the sake of fresh material.
Change the time signature.
Why? Will allow more freedom in producing, bring in completely new ideas to the hardcore/edm sound. there will be so many new songs that they can convert into dance music.
Why not? It will completely screw any dance moves that people have practice and perfected over the years. those poor jumpstyle teens, they will be so confused by a 3/4 signature, or, god forbid, a 7/8 sig.
Hell it probably wont work, but it will be interesting to try. It might even sound good. I would love to try, but i dont have the tools available or skill necessary to do so.
Thoughts?
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näkkk Advanced Member
Norway
755 posts Joined: Feb, 2009
16 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/06/08 : 17:01:49
There's quite a bit of 3/4 in gabba actually :p but yeah, not much in other hardcore styles apart from the odd sections here and there
I've made a song in 3/4, it's on my myspace, titled The Lord :P it's not very good, but at least I'm experimental ;)
Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/08 : 18:29:44
I know nothing of time signatures, but i like the cut of your jib.
Is triplets a form of time signature? I ****ing hate triplets in Hardcore. Aslong as this is avoided im happy whatever producers decide to do.
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Nav New Member
United States
76 posts Joined: Nov, 2008
Posted - 2009/06/09 : 01:15:37
First of all... already kinda done this one lol, did a dnb tune in 7/4 a ways back.
HOWEVER, there are some real issues with this. First, it'd be a HUGE BITCH to mix. As in, you just have to do a Darren Styles-esque cut without actually mixing. Second, it'd lose the flow that most tracks have, unless it's really innovative.
Third........ there's a reason why tracks are in 4/4, and it has to do with our perception of rhythm and how music is generally composed in this day/age. The 4/4 system has so many rhythms within that rhythm, or virtual meters, and also has all sorts of tempos thrown in there too.
For example: A 4/4 tune at 120 also has a 2/2 beat at 60, and an 8/8 beat at 240.
A Hardcore tune at 180 in 4/4 time also has a bpm of 90 in 2/2 time and a bpm of 360 in 8/8 time. So, really, in many cases our mind perceives hardcore as being about half the tempo that it is, as well as double the tempo. The double tempo is what confuses most people who are new to fast music, as it just sounds chaotic to them. However, over time, you kinda learn to focus in and figure out what's actually going on.
People have used this to great effect with half-time breakdowns/intros/outros. It's all perceived as another BPM than it actually is.
I'm not sure if this would apply to things in other time signatures, although it would be interesting to see what happens.
Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/09 : 07:08:08
time sig:
top number: number of beats in the bar
bottom number: type (lack of better word) of beat in the bar
4/4 is 4 beats of crotchets in a bar, 6/8 is six quavers to a bar. than we can start getting fancy
5/4, 7/8, 7/4, 9/8 etc. 13/8 is used by dream theatre in metropolis
syncopated rhythm anyone?
i didnt think about mixing, yes it would be a proper bitch to mix. something like 7/8 would be dreadful
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Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/09 : 12:19:19
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
time sig:
top number: number of beats in the bar
bottom number: type (lack of better word) of beat in the bar
4/4 is 4 beats of crotchets in a bar, 6/8 is six quavers to a bar. than we can start getting fancy
5/4, 7/8, 7/4, 9/8 etc. 13/8 is used by dream theatre in metropolis
syncopated rhythm anyone?
i didnt think about mixing, yes it would be a proper bitch to mix. something like 7/8 would be dreadful
???????
Ye im lost.
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Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/09 : 15:40:27
quaver is half a crotchet. known to the barbarians as an eighth note.
so for 6/8 time sig
as stated before, no on top is no of beats, so 6 beats
no on bottom is the note value that constitutes one beat. in this case, the 8 signifies it is a quaver that determines the beat.
so six quavers will make up one bar of music.
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Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/09 : 22:00:53
Cheers for trying to explain it mate, but it was time wasted on me unfortunately. Think me needs to do some musical theory research
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Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/10 : 12:25:08
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
Couldn't we just remix Pretty Green Eyes?
CDJay
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