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Lilley
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 Posted - 2007/04/19 : 10:00:18
i honestly never thought smoking would be banned due to the ridiculous amounts of money coming from the industry - like 1/5 of a budget or sumthin
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 10:11:40
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Originally posted by Lilley:
i honestly never thought smoking would be banned due to the ridiculous amounts of money coming from the industry - like 1/5 of a budget or sumthin
Think how much gets pumped into the NHS for smoking related illness...
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whispering
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 10:27:19
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Think how much gets pumped into the NHS for smoking related illness...
You die like 10 years earlier if you smoke, wonder how much less pension the government has to pay 'cause of that? Also it doesnt really matter what you die because of, their all considered to be caused by aging, smoking speeds that up.
I'm not a pro smoker, i wouldnt smoke if it wasnt so hard to quit. Its already bad enough that it damages my health and costs money, i dont need to become a second class citizen to not want to smoke. I'm all upto smoking ban on regular areas in pubs and clubs, where non smokers cant avoid the smoke. But banning smoking rooms and similar solutions, is just plain discrimination
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 12:05:57
Yeah but think of the costs of all the surgery and medication! Very high. Plus you have a high number of people not working and receiving benefits from the age of 40 - 50 because they are unfit to work due to smoking related illness...
There is a valid reason to not allow smoking rooms in that you would have people sectioning off most (or even all) of a club/pub and calling it a smoking room/section. I guess they have to draw the line somewhere. Although I guess they could have specified strict rules for a small smoking room that is aloud to be a % of the total floor space in the building...
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Simon
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 12:42:30
Well no, because if you pop it and you have a state pension it will be paid as a lump sum to your designated spouse/partner/friend/dog/individual.
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whispering
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 12:48:31
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Yeah but think of the costs of all the surgery and medication! Very high. Plus you have a high number of people not working and receiving benefits from the age of 40 - 50 because they are unfit to work due to smoking related illness...
There is a valid reason to not allow smoking rooms in that you would have people sectioning off most (or even all) of a club/pub and calling it a smoking room/section. I guess they have to draw the line somewhere. Although I guess they could have specified strict rules for a small smoking room that is aloud to be a % of the total floor space in the building...
From what i can remembr, here it has gone something like that: We had those here for a while, if i remember right at first it had to be a separate area (max 10% of total area). I remember a cafeteria where they had 10% of the second floor for smokers, the 90% was always empty, heh. Anyway then they had to have special air con systems. Then it had to be a separate space, like a "glass box". Funny thing was that it was illegal to drink in the smoking area, which was just idiotic. Anyway before that was fully enforced, came the total ban.
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Well no, because if you pop it and you have a state pension it will be paid as a lump sum to your designated spouse/partner/friend/dog/individual.
Well i'm not that familiar with the UK system. But my point was that visit any hospital, you'll see smoker or nonsmoker, you die to the same diseases.
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5m0k3y
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 12:49:54
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Yeah but think of the costs of all the surgery and medication! Very high. Plus you have a high number of people not working and receiving benefits from the age of 40 - 50 because they are unfit to work due to smoking related illness...
Not necessarily,
My Gran is 85, a smoker all of her life and fit as a fiddle. Retired at 65 and has only ever been to hospital for a broken leg after she fell off a ladder, while putting a washing line up (she was 70 at the time).
I don't know anyone who has had to leave work at 50 due to smoking related illness and I know a lot of smokers (that's not to say there aren't any)
Even if what you mentinoned was the case in all instances, people pay national insurance and taxes have the right to do what ever they want to their bodies, because they've already paid for that hospital bed and iron lung ten times over during the course of their lives.
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Simon
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 13:00:34
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Originally posted by whispering:
But my point was that visit any hospital, you'll see smoker or nonsmoker, you die to the same diseases.
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Originally posted by 5m0k3y:
people pay national insurance and taxes have the right to do what ever they want to their bodies, because they've already paid for that hospital bed and iron lung ten times over during the course of their lives.
Fine, So they can do it in their own homes away from others......Because remember people smoking effects others around them and that's what the issue is here. I hate having to inhale a lungful of smoke when I go to a "public house" because someone else wants to abuse their body!
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 14:02:16
I could argue the points you've both given but we'll just go round in circles so I wont bother ;)
Simon has left it at a nice point anyway.
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5m0k3y
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 14:10:29
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Originally posted by Simon:
Fine, So they can do it in their own homes away from others......Because remember people smoking effects others around them and that's what the issue is here. I hate having to inhale a lungful of smoke when I go to a "public house" because someone else wants to abuse their body!
I wasn't disputing that, I was disputing the generalization that smoking kills and the cost to the NHS.
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bent_bananna
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 14:17:06
what about fat people. ban them from pubs. i don't want to have to sit near to a fat sweaty, BO infested michelin man whos farts are more damaging to me health then fags. And also....
If theyre gonna stop us smoking everywhere they should at least allow us the right to smoke weed in our own homes
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 14:23:22
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Originally posted by 5m0k3y:
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Originally posted by Simon:
Fine, So they can do it in their own homes away from others......Because remember people smoking effects others around them and that's what the issue is here. I hate having to inhale a lungful of smoke when I go to a "public house" because someone else wants to abuse their body!
I wasn't disputing that, I was disputing the generalization that smoking kills and the cost to the NHS.
You're a silly boy then. Smoking does kill and it does cost the NHS... :P
Maybe not all the time but the fact still stands.
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5m0k3y
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 15:28:58
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Originally posted by bent_bananna:
what about fat people. ban them from pubs. i don't want to have to sit near to a fat sweaty, BO infested michelin man whos farts are more damaging to me health then fags. And also....
If theyre gonna stop us smoking everywhere they should at least allow us the right to smoke weed in our own homes
Well said, same could be said for getting hit by cars, people injuring themselves while doing DIY .etc
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You're a silly boy then. Smoking does kill and it does cost the NHS... :P
Not everyone it doesn't, hence the word GENERALIZATION.
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jenks
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 15:46:32
I don't think people who damage their bodies by smoking should be entitled to treatment for it on the NHS. Starting now, since the awareness is so good now, if I had my way, anyone born from this point on would not be entitled to help from the NHS for ****ing up their own body. Heathly living should be a lesson at school imo.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/04/19 : 16:41:29
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Originally posted by 5m0k3y:
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Originally posted by bent_bananna:
what about fat people. ban them from pubs. i don't want to have to sit near to a fat sweaty, BO infested michelin man whos farts are more damaging to me health then fags. And also....
If theyre gonna stop us smoking everywhere they should at least allow us the right to smoke weed in our own homes
Well said, same could be said for getting hit by cars, people injuring themselves while doing DIY .etc
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
You're a silly boy then. Smoking does kill and it does cost the NHS... :P
Not everyone it doesn't, hence the word GENERALIZATION.
Aye but to make a generalisation about it would be correct as in most cases it's true...
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