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Jay-Owen
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 Posted - 2007/02/15 : 21:20:45
Global warming is a problem that is heating up. It is caused mainly by us, humans, but natural global warming will occur no matter what. However not to such a degree as we have caused because of industrialization. If nothing is done to stop it, catastrophes will occur.Global warming cannot be blamed for heat waves or floods, those happen on their own, but the constant temperature change can. Global warming is something that is constantly growing. It is accountable for the average temperature rise in the world; and that is worse than having extreme heat waves.Some effects of global warming are already taking place but much worse are soon to come. Mt. Kilimanjaro has lost 75% of its ice cap since 1912. Glacier Park in Montana will lose all of its glaciers by 2070 if nothing is done. But what is to come is much worse; it will harm all of the world’s oceans by bleaching the coral, it will die and erosion which will cause some sea side homes to become new homes for fish. The coral will also bring the economy down because it alone is a 30 billion dollar fishing and tourism industry. Animals could also die if the temperature rises too quickly because they cannot adapt fast enough. Extreme weather will cause floods tornados and hurricanes. Global warming will also melt the polar ice caps causing the sea level to raise sinking islands, cities, and island resort towns (Stuart R. Gaffin of Global Warming Opposing Viewpoints). Diseases also spread faster in heat, which would affect us because it will bring over diseases from Africa like Malaria and Dengue.Global warming is something that naturally occurs with the earth, but we have sped the problem up greatly. Ever since the industrial revolution, the problem has gotten worse. Greenhouse gasses are the problem that is heating up the globe. When the sun emits light on the earth, the atmosphere reflects about 30% of the suns rays back to space and the atmosphere absorbs another 30%. The 40% left over reaches the earth. 15% of that is reflected off the earth’s surface back into space, so only about 25% of the heat from the sun heats the earth’s surface. But greenhouse gasses are causing more of the suns rays to heat the earth. When the 15% that are reflected off the earth and hit green house gasses in the atmosphere, they are reflected back to the earth, therefore rising the average surface temperature of the earth. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is one of the leading causes of greenhouse gasses. They are caused by the burning of fossil fuels such as wood, oil, natural gas, coal, and using just about everything that is in your house. Methane is a factor not to be left out, it happens when garbage decomposes and in the transportation of coal and natural gas. But some are still skeptical of this problem ruining our world.Another side to this problem is that it will help out our world because it would slow down the rising ocean because the rising temperature will cause more evaporation. That evaporation will eventually snow on to the polar ice caps which will add to their already massive size. The rise in temperature will be beneficial to farmers because it will cause more steady rain, there will be fewer violent storms and shorter winters allowing for a longer growing season (Dennis T. Avery of Global warming Opposing Viewpoints). However, we are not fighting a losing battle.Alternative energy sources are probably the most efficient way to lower our CO2 output, there for lowering the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. Wind and solar are the most efficient now, because they are one of the most cost effective with a fair amount of energy output. When hydrogen fuel becomes cost effective, it will be superior to all other alternative energy sources, because hydrogen is the most abundant element on the earth and the waste product is water, something that will not damage the ozone layer. Alternative energy sources will help stop global warming because it will reduce the need for fossil fuels. But major scientific research is not needed to help slow the problem.Global warming can be stopped on a personal level too. The easiest and cheapest way to help stop Greenhouse Gasses is to ride a bike or walk to ones destination. A cheap one is to take public transportation such as a bus train or subway. One can also buy an electric car or a fuel efficient car to reduce CO2 emissions. Telling others will also help spread the word about this issue facing our planet.My personal feeling on Global Warming is that it is not a major threat now, or that it will benefit the world. If it were true that Global Warming is currently destroying our earth there would be much more research being done and a lot more media coverage of the problem. And I do not believe at all that Global Warming will benefit our earth. Again, the media would have more coverage that Global warming would help our planet, and research would be done on how to speed up global warming to the right temperature to benefit our selves best.This problem is not a huge one currently, but it is starting to get going. Minor effects of this problem have already started such as glaciers melting, coral dying, and our ozone layer is gaining more Greenhouse Gasses. The US isn’t showing too much care for these issues, but it is necessary for us to find a solution to leave this planet inhabitable for future generations.
This is the definition of global warming I found off the net. What's your opinion?
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clarke101
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Posted - 2007/02/15 : 22:31:45
Can you sort your post out into paragraphes so its readable.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2007/02/15 : 22:36:51
my opinion?....
global warming would have long since destroyed the planet before i'd have finished readin all that mate.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 04:15:31
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Originally posted by clarke101:
Can you sort your post out into paragraphes so its readable.
and preferably with double spacing
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nearly in line....
.....strange continuity problems
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 07:16:32
The Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change is an amendment to the international treaty on climate change, assigning mandatory targets for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions to signatory nations.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 08:50:09
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Originally posted by Renegade V:
Global warming is a problem that is heating up. It is caused mainly by us, humans, but natural global warming will occur no matter what. However not to such a degree as we have caused because of industrialization. If nothing is done to stop it, catastrophes will occur.Global warming cannot be blamed for heat waves or floods, those happen on their own, but the constant temperature change can. Global warming is something that is constantly growing. It is accountable for the average temperature rise in the world; and that is worse than having extreme heat waves.Some effects of global warming are already taking place but much worse are soon to come. Mt. Kilimanjaro has lost 75% of its ice cap since 1912. Glacier Park in Montana will lose all of its glaciers by 2070 if nothing is done. But what is to come is much worse; it will harm all of the world’s oceans by bleaching the coral, it will die and erosion which will cause some sea side homes to become new homes for fish. The coral will also bring the economy down because it alone is a 30 billion dollar fishing and tourism industry. Animals could also die if the temperature rises too quickly because they cannot adapt fast enough. Extreme weather will cause floods tornados and hurricanes. Global warming will also melt the polar ice caps causing the sea level to raise sinking islands, cities, and island resort towns (Stuart R. Gaffin of Global Warming Opposing Viewpoints). Diseases also spread faster in heat, which would affect us because it will bring over diseases from Africa like Malaria and Dengue.Global warming is something that naturally occurs with the earth, but we have sped the problem up greatly. Ever since the industrial revolution, the problem has gotten worse. Greenhouse gasses are the problem that is heating up the globe. When the sun emits light on the earth, the atmosphere reflects about 30% of the suns rays back to space and the atmosphere absorbs another 30%. The 40% left over reaches the earth. 15% of that is reflected off the earth’s surface back into space, so only about 25% of the heat from the sun heats the earth’s surface. But greenhouse gasses are causing more of the suns rays to heat the earth. When the 15% that are reflected off the earth and hit green house gasses in the atmosphere, they are reflected back to the earth, therefore rising the average surface temperature of the earth. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is one of the leading causes of greenhouse gasses. They are caused by the burning of fossil fuels such as wood, oil, natural gas, coal, and using just about everything that is in your house. Methane is a factor not to be left out, it happens when garbage decomposes and in the transportation of coal and natural gas. But some are still skeptical of this problem ruining our world.Another side to this problem is that it will help out our world because it would slow down the rising ocean because the rising temperature will cause more evaporation. That evaporation will eventually snow on to the polar ice caps which will add to their already massive size. The rise in temperature will be beneficial to farmers because it will cause more steady rain, there will be fewer violent storms and shorter winters allowing for a longer growing season (Dennis T. Avery of Global warming Opposing Viewpoints). However, we are not fighting a losing battle.Alternative energy sources are probably the most efficient way to lower our CO2 output, there for lowering the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. Wind and solar are the most efficient now, because they are one of the most cost effective with a fair amount of energy output. When hydrogen fuel becomes cost effective, it will be superior to all other alternative energy sources, because hydrogen is the most abundant element on the earth and the waste product is water, something that will not damage the ozone layer. Alternative energy sources will help stop global warming because it will reduce the need for fossil fuels. But major scientific research is not needed to help slow the problem.Global warming can be stopped on a personal level too. The easiest and cheapest way to help stop Greenhouse Gasses is to ride a bike or walk to ones destination. A cheap one is to take public transportation such as a bus train or subway. One can also buy an electric car or a fuel efficient car to reduce CO2 emissions. Telling others will also help spread the word about this issue facing our planet.My personal feeling on Global Warming is that it is not a major threat now, or that it will benefit the world. If it were true that Global Warming is currently destroying our earth there would be much more research being done and a lot more media coverage of the problem. And I do not believe at all that Global Warming will benefit our earth. Again, the media would have more coverage that Global warming would help our planet, and research would be done on how to speed up global warming to the right temperature to benefit our selves best.This problem is not a huge one currently, but it is starting to get going. Minor effects of this problem have already started such as glaciers melting, coral dying, and our ozone layer is gaining more Greenhouse Gasses. The US isn’t showing too much care for these issues, but it is necessary for us to find a solution to leave this planet inhabitable for future generations.
This is the definition of global warming I found off the net. What's your opinion?
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Hardcore4eva
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 09:49:08
fuk reading that!!!!
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I think you have got me confused with someone that actually gives a FUK.....................
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 11:11:55
I enjoy'd Al Gore's movie, while I know alot didnt
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 11:48:32
**** the people who didn't like it.
Scientists have been saying this over over 30 years and as more and more evidence comes through, they will continue.
I liked an inconvenenient truth and the special features update on the DVD was amazing.
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jenks
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 12:02:39
I still don't really understand why Australia didn't join Kyoto, the government said it was something to do with losing out of coal exports, but surely if everyone sle has signed it that will happen anyway? It seems to be the US who is stunting progress on climate change, I read an article the other day saying that 13% of Americans haven't even heard of Global Warming... The annoying thing is that people still don't realise that it's a much bigger threat to the planet than terrorism, the small losses to the economy now will be nothing compared to how much climate change will cost us in the future... But by then Bush and Howard won't be in office and they wont have to take the blame will they!
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Jay-Owen
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 12:47:33
Good point, Jenks. It almost makes me want him in again just so that he can get murdered by 500 million americans in the form of an angry mob
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 17:12:55
While I don't like the fact that the US didn't sign it at all, a fair number of countries haven't produced tangible results yet either. Canada's emissions are increasing (something like 35% above the 1990's level where they need to be 6% below) and I don't think many other countries are doing better at this point. Considering the deadline for Kyoto to become lay is looming (or just recently passed) it'll be interesting to see what exactly happens.
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jenks
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 22:56:49
I'm pretty sure as a bloc, Europe is set to meet their targets, I know the UK is predicting to double their reduction targets:
http://www.britischebotschaft.de/en/news/items/070131.htm
The annoying this is, the EU had a target of an 8% decrease and we're managing it but GWB reckons the US can't handle a 7% reduction! Don't even get me started on Oz, if they had signed they would of been allowed an 8% increase in emissions and they still decided against it, policy designed just to stay bum chums with the US if you ask me! Not that the UK is usually much better...
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 23:13:28
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Originally posted by milo:
While I don't like the fact that the US didn't sign it at all, a fair number of countries haven't produced tangible results yet either. Canada's emissions are increasing (something like 35% above the 1990's level where they need to be 6% below) and I don't think many other countries are doing better at this point. Considering the deadline for Kyoto to become lay is looming (or just recently passed) it'll be interesting to see what exactly happens.
Yes thats quite true... what I also find funny... is the US who didnt sign, was already reduced below the Kyoto guidelines for emissions... when they refused to sign like 3 years ago.
In fact... had we signed... our output would INCREASE rather than decrease.
We already have tougher federal standards.
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 23:22:23
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Originally posted by Alkivar:
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Originally posted by milo:
While I don't like the fact that the US didn't sign it at all, a fair number of countries haven't produced tangible results yet either. Canada's emissions are increasing (something like 35% above the 1990's level where they need to be 6% below) and I don't think many other countries are doing better at this point. Considering the deadline for Kyoto to become lay is looming (or just recently passed) it'll be interesting to see what exactly happens.
Yes thats quite true... what I also find funny... is the US who didnt sign, was already reduced below the Kyoto guidelines for emissions... when they refused to sign like 3 years ago.
In fact... had we signed... our output would INCREASE rather than decrease.
We already have tougher federal standards.
To be honest though the US are not going to be the problem. The problem will stem from developing economies who are very dependent on fossil fuels and have lower governmental standards.
Russia / China and perhaps India.
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jenks
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Posted - 2007/02/16 : 23:36:08
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Originally posted by Alkivar:
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Originally posted by milo:
While I don't like the fact that the US didn't sign it at all, a fair number of countries haven't produced tangible results yet either. Canada's emissions are increasing (something like 35% above the 1990's level where they need to be 6% below) and I don't think many other countries are doing better at this point. Considering the deadline for Kyoto to become lay is looming (or just recently passed) it'll be interesting to see what exactly happens.
Yes thats quite true... what I also find funny... is the US who didnt sign, was already reduced below the Kyoto guidelines for emissions... when they refused to sign like 3 years ago.
In fact... had we signed... our output would INCREASE rather than decrease.
We already have tougher federal standards.
100% Rubbish, how did you work that one out exactly? When the US would of been obligated to reduce emissions by 7% but has actually raised them by 16%? It pisses me off when news reporters say how bad China is for emissions, yet the US is the number 1 emitter and China won't even catch up until 2030 despite having a much bigger population... Luckily the American people aren't as irresponsible as their government and lots of schemes seperate to the government seem to be popping up, a few states over there are supposed to be interested in the emissions trading scheme also...
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