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Marshy88
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 Posted - 2007/01/26 : 16:46:29
Who agrees with methat religion is just the biggest ******** story ever. All religions are a basic structure of rules to live a good life and follow moral rules. For example when you are younger you like a set of rules to follow by your parent everyone of us has had that and when you grow older you choose religion for your way to live and all the god crap and so on is just a way to seduce and to motivate you to follow i dont know how anyone can disagree with that.
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clarke101
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 17:06:18
I dont believe in any religion at all. However if people wish to believe in a religion. Im not going to knock their beliefs, its their choice to believe or not.
I could however take great satisfaction in telling people that most christian celebrations are timed to coincide with pagan festivals. So converting people to christianity was easier by celebrating the same days just for different reasons.
Take christmas for example, according to the qur'an Jesus was born sometime in the summer. Allegedly the time of his birth isnt mentioned in the bible at all. December 25th was chosen due to the importantance of the passing of the shortest day and the pagan festival which followed.
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 17:30:38
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Originally posted by clarke101:
I don't believe in any religion at all. However if people wish to believe in a religion. I'm not going to knock their beliefs, its their choice to believe or not.
Same here. Amen.
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I could however take great satisfaction in telling people that most Christian celebrations are timed to coincide with pagan festivals. So converting people to Christianity was easier by celebrating the same days just for different reasons.
Take Christmas for example, according to the qur'an Jesus was born sometime in the summer. Allegedly the time of his birth isn't mentioned in the bible at all. December 25th was chosen due to the importance of the passing of the shortest day and the pagan festival which followed.
Yea, and I heard that the egg and bunny connected to Easter which symbolise new life were originally pagan symbols; and the act of decorating a tree on Christmas.
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jenks
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 17:48:22
On a personal level I think it can do people some good, in terms of society it's awful. It doesn't promote advancement of any sort, infact you'll notice that the most religious nations are usually the most backward culturally and in most other resects too, I find it ironic that religions teach that killing is a sin and yet the countries where religion is most prominent are the ones that still cling to things like the death penalty.
In terms of truth it's almost laughable that people actually believe this stuff. Take Christianity for example, the Bible is written by men, yet is supposed to be the word of God, but why? What evidence is there that it's the word of God and not just made up? Other than some historical facts the confirm that many of the people in there were real, not much. Infact if you listen to the hardcore Christians they'll tell you the the world is only about 5000 years old! We know this to be rubbish, so why still believe?
In my opinion it's about people being insecure and unfortunatly: lazy, atleast in terms of their brain. It seems that can't come up with, or can't be bothered to come up with their own moral code, so they rely on an ancient (I suspect fictional) book. People don't like the unknown, so they'd rather dedicate their lives to a theology that promises to give them all the answers.
I realise that it gives people comfort and I'll even go as far as to respect that its what they choose to believe, but that will never make me respect them because I can't help but come to the conclusion than anyone that would relegate their mind into living in a state of blissful ignorace is a fool. The world needs to progress, people need to get over stupid differences atleast on state level and it will be hard enough without a burden like religion in my opinion.
Phew... got a bit carried away!
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 17:49:36
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Underloop
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 17:51:24
One thing to remember is there is a huge difference between faith and religion.
I don't need to take communion every week to remain true to my beliefs. Religion itself is purely a set of rituals that embody your faith. Its what you believe deep down in your heart, and acting on those beliefs that is what matters.
I do have to say though that having Christmas in winter is soooo much better than summer! Ol' St. Nick in his sleigh, and reindeer would be rubbish in summer! :-P
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 19:33:38
I was approached by 2 mormons today whilst shopping!
They asked me if i had a religion and if i believed in god i just said no not really!
Its up to us as individuals to decide what path to take in life!
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Jay-Owen
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 20:38:28
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Originally posted by Underloop:
One thing to remember is there is a huge difference between faith and religion.
I don't need to take communion every week to remain true to my beliefs. Religion itself is purely a set of rituals that embody your faith. Its what you believe deep down in your heart, and acting on those beliefs that is what matters.
I do have to say though that having Christmas in winter is soooo much better than summer! Ol' St. Nick in his sleigh, and reindeer would be rubbish in summer! :-P
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Jay-Owen
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 20:40:13
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Originally posted by Marshy88:
Who agrees with methat religion is just the biggest ******** story ever. All religions are a basic structure of rules to live a good life and follow moral rules. For example when you are younger you like a set of rules to follow by your parent everyone of us has had that and when you grow older you choose religion for your way to live and all the god crap and so on is just a way to seduce and to motivate you to follow i dont know how anyone can disagree with that.
You're obviously totally against having the freedom to believe in what you want. It's dumb****s like you who make life hard for people like me
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Jay-Owen
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 20:48:39
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Originally posted by jenks:
On a personal level I think it can do people some good, in terms of society it's awful. It doesn't promote advancement of any sort, infact you'll notice that the most religious nations are usually the most backward culturally and in most other resects too, I find it ironic that religions teach that killing is a sin and yet the countries where religion is most prominent are the ones that still cling to things like the death penalty.
In terms of truth it's almost laughable that people actually believe this stuff. Take Christianity for example, the Bible is written by men, yet is supposed to be the word of God, but why? What evidence is there that it's the word of God and not just made up? Other than some historical facts the confirm that many of the people in there were real, not much. Infact if you listen to the hardcore Christians they'll tell you the the world is only about 5000 years old! We know this to be rubbish, so why still believe?
In my opinion it's about people being insecure and unfortunatly: lazy, atleast in terms of their brain. It seems that can't come up with, or can't be bothered to come up with their own moral code, so they rely on an ancient (I suspect fictional) book. People don't like the unknown, so they'd rather dedicate their lives to a theology that promises to give them all the answers.
I realise that it gives people comfort and I'll even go as far as to respect that its what they choose to believe, but that will never make me respect them because I can't help but come to the conclusion than anyone that would relegate their mind into living in a state of blissful ignorace is a fool. The world needs to progress, people need to get over stupid differences atleast on state level and it will be hard enough without a burden like religion in my opinion.
Phew... got a bit carried away!
So how much do you know about the bible, Jenks?
Ever read a passage?
The people who you describe are called extremists. Still following?
Lazy in terms of their brain? Does that make you a cretin then? Let people believe what they want to believe
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NeXuS
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 21:04:02
You all need jesus
*slaps a cross on each of your forheads*
Be healed!
But anyway...
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Originally posted by Jenks:
Phew... got a bit carried away!
A bit?
"In terms of truth it's almost laughable that people actually believe this stuff"
"In my opinion it's about people being insecure and unfortunatly: lazy, atleast in terms of their brain"
"it will be hard enough without a burden like religion"
Good god son! Im sure their not out to scrape anyone's knees so why not let them be? I say in this war infested planet, let them be as blissful as they want.
Although Im not an active religious person, the way you speak about religion just doesn't seem right. As far as society is concerned it shouldn't have anything to do with it. Your beliefs and faith is on a very personnal level.
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Posted - 2007/01/26 : 21:35:06
uhm ..
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All religions are a basic structure of rules to live a good life and follow moral rules
happen to be christian.. CHRISTIAN! yea .. so? not that ima supa religious dude.. i mean i believe but thats it..
christian believe is bout just jezus that died for us ... just believe that and thats it :) well why not.. nothin 2 loose innit..
anyway dun get you ppl bitchin @ religions its sumtin you been raised with or not. cant judge ppl or groups on a religion..
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Posted - 2007/01/27 : 00:35:31
hahah dont u guys just luv topic lyk dis were every one just fight every for basically no reason lol.
well dis is my 2 cent:
since the begining of time der has always been religion to help explain the hard Q's such as what happens when i die and how did i come to be, how did universe start...basically the great unknow.
so for me iv always believed that their is a god or great being out der. lyk how do u explain the big bang? even most scientist are saying that their is somthing out der cause of how the universe works and how creation was made out of and explosion/destruction
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/01/27 : 03:05:56
*has an urge to go into a Nietzche-esque tirade, but is too lazy to start what would turn out to be a very long debate*
Let's just say I think that organized religion, Abrahmic religions in particular, are somewhat bad ideas, and people should try harder to develop their spiritual beliefs individually.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2007/01/27 : 07:32:37
the time of jesus’s birth isn't given an exact date in the bible, but the surroundings described are definitely spring/summer
like said I don't think religion is for everyone much like college, but I think everyone should at least explore them. The bible is a pretty good read (especially the old testament), so is the quran.
Something I always found amusing is the place where the major religions started is one of the most violent places in the world.
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clarke101
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Posted - 2007/01/27 : 08:18:10
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Something I always found amusing is the place where the major religions started is one of the most violent places in the world.
Especially as they are all very similar. I know lets have a conbined religion im sure christians will give up pork for world peace.
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