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clarke101
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 Posted - 2006/08/02 : 23:41:45
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Originally posted by Sir Feli:
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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as if any1 is going to read all that
I will.
Did you have too quote it all, is the real question.
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meshblorg
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 Posted - 2006/08/03 : 07:39:11
Someone please explain to me how the WTC towers fell? They fell SO FAST and so PERFECTLY! Just like a controlled demolition. The only way they could have done that is if the supports at the bottom and throughout the building were detonated. There's footage, eye witnesses from fire fighters, police, reporters, etc of explosions being heard the entire time.
It just doesn't add up. The fires could have burnt the entire upper levels to a crisp and hte building would have still stood up.
That's the single BIGGEST proof that the film Loose Change addresses. To all you nay sayers, all I ask you is please just watch it before you try to compare it to the awful moon landing conspiracy.
Just think about it,
1999 Saddam Hussein starts to change from dollars to Euros to sell his oil. The US dollar (petrodollar) is so strong mainly because all countries have to use it to buy oil from Opec.
2000 The US Dollar starts depreciating against the Euro as countries look to switching to the Euro.
2001 United States is allegedly attacked by an organization we funded, armed, and trained in the 80s (Al-Qaida).
2001-2002 Invade Afghanistan
2002-2003 Bush Administration declares Saddam Hussein having links to 9-11. To this day, there is still no proof of that. I guess what Lenin said, "A lie told often enough becomes the truth" is right.
2003 The Oil Ministry building in Iraq is not bombed. Oil fields are seized first by American and coalition forces. Oil becomes sold in dollars once again.
Our way of life in America was threatened by the Euro currency. In order to protect the US Dollar, we had to sacrifice 3000 innocent people, send thousands of to war, only to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents.
Don't believe me?
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/06/342746.html
PLEASE JUST WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU SAY IT'S ALL CRAP!
There are some crappy explanation for 9-11, but this one is actually decent.
Our problem in America is that we're too proud to believe our own government could do this. Maybe the nazis or stalinist russia, but not the great red, white, and blue.
America is a good country, but if we want to preserve it, we must as Thomas Jefferson said, "The price for liberty is eternal vigilance."
Lying about Iraq is enough reason for me to doubt the government. Vietnam as well.
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Hardcore4eva
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 07:42:55
The Buildings are Built like that so that they dont crush even more buildings if they were to collapse!
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 18:57:49
i was about to say how stupid u r 4 beliving such shite. But this film is very convincing and has completely changed my views on the attacks. the us government r to blame!
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 19:20:04
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The Buildings are Built like that so that they dont crush even more buildings if they were to collapse!
no, the buildings where made to withstand a force 5 hurrican (if my memory is correct).
The video shows examples of fires, explosions, and other impacts that where made on WEAKER buildings and NONE of them ever collapsed.
Tell me, if a force 5 hurrican wont even bend it, how the hell does it completely crush against an air plane impact?
The official statement is the intenst heat from the fire melted the structure or frame, steal. Which is impossible and all explained well in the video.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 23:28:15
can't we just brush this under the rug w/ the kennedy assasination? =P
it's all about money, hence why cfc's came about and why lead based gasoline was used. sure safer products were made, but you get more money if you do it the unsafe way =P
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clarke101
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 23:38:32
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The official statement is the intenst heat from the fire melted the structure or frame, steal. Which is impossible and all explained well in the video.
why is the metal melting impossible(melting is probably the wrong word). Surely the heat would have stressed the buliding along with impact and explosion etc.
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 23:49:17
exactly, haven't any of you been to a blacksmiths? =P
how is steel made? by making iron molten and pounding the carbon out of it, sure steel is tougher but an airplane full of jet fuel I'm sure could do some serious structure damage...then you just add the weight of the floors above it and whamo, flat building
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Posted - 2006/08/04 : 01:26:39
The entire building collapsed in freefall, firefighters that were inside said they could hear explosions going off from the top all the way down.
The metal melting thing was about the alleged plane that hit the pentagon, the government said it vapourised when it exploded, thats why there was no wreckage. but most of the huge engines were made of titanium, and it is scientifically impossible for jet fuel (even with a constant supply of oxygen) to burn hot anough to vapourise titanium.
Also what was weird, was the fast that they found some wreckage, a part of a turbine, that wasn't even off the jet, it was identified as something off a small plane that was going out of service in the USAF.
Also officials said that the towers collapsed because of fire, after only a few hours, if they did they would be the first skyscrapers in history to do so. A much older skyscraper supposedly burned for nearly a day and still didn't look like collapsing...
Lots of really weird stuff happened that still hasn't been explained, I could go on for ages ranting but I'll stop now whilst I still can :p
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Posted - 2006/08/04 : 01:55:11
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Originally posted by Brian K:
exactly, haven't any of you been to a blacksmiths? =P
how is steel made? by making iron molten and pounding the carbon out of it, sure steel is tougher but an airplane full of jet fuel I'm sure could do some serious structure damage...then you just add the weight of the floors above it and whamo, flat building
id love to know how.. a jet in the SIDE of a building made the entire floor collapse SIMULTANEOUSLY, and stay flat as it went down ALL the way to the bottom...
id realllllly like to know.
and for it to happen two times in a row aswell.......
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Brian K
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Posted - 2006/08/04 : 03:18:24
haven't you ever played jenga? it's plausible, didn't say that's what happened but plausible.
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/08/04 : 03:45:45
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haven't you ever played jenga? it's plausible, didn't say that's what happened but plausible.
Jenga peices aren't joined together, just like peices of the towers wouldn't be if it had been a demolition job ;)
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Brian K
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Posted - 2006/08/04 : 07:05:05
heh yeah I know crap analogy =P
the planes that have hit buildings in the past hit the top floors, not the middle. also we don't know the speed at which those planes were traveling. sure the old planes exploded and didn't topple the building, but we don't know if they would have if they were aimed at the mid section of the building at an extremely high velocity.
yes the buildings did topple fast but they were also burning for quiet awhile...and if the buildings were in still good shape before they fell then why were people jumping out of the buildings?
yes the buildings were built to withstand a boeing 707 and an upper class hurricane...but they were designed thinking of exterior structural damage, not a blazing inferno of jet fuel on the inside. if the explosions destroyed the fire protection system, the columns of steel wound basically turn into taffy in the sun. there are lots of precautions you can take to build a building structurally sound, but I really don't think any architect designs a building to withstand a full speed large commercial airline with enough fuel to fly coast to coast.
there are lots of unanswered questions and nobody will I think ever have the answers to them...the kennedy assassination is an good example. 60 years later and we still don't have an answer other than lee harvey took a very long distance shot.
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Posted - 2006/08/04 : 08:12:33
Everyone who is challenging the 9-11 conspiracy has not seen this film.
Because every point they bring up is shattered, scrutinized, and proven false in the video.
Please just freaking watch it before you try to create some explanations out of your own ass. Stop being prejeduce and ignorant. Ignorant of the contents of this film. Stupid unfounded conspiracies like the faked moon landings give conspiracy theorists a bad name.
JUST WATCH IT
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Posted - 2006/08/04 : 08:33:23
You guys seriously think that the USA or another nation state blew up the WTC, as an excuse to start a globle war on terror and to get an oil pipeline built in Afganistan.
We all know that the reason given for going to war Iraq were wrong and actually more likely to be about George w Bush trying to impress his dad by finishing something George Bush snr couldnt.
i will watch the film you posted when i get time.
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